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    NYT: "Hillary is the unrivaled Democratic candidate" Thanks media for choosing her!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/24/us...rets.html?_r=0

    Thankfully enough people are waking up to this obvious shilling by corporate media.

    http://fair.org/home/action-alert-ny...mocratic-race/

    Don't let corporate media make the decisions for you.

    Don't vote Hillary. Enough is enough.

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    The masses do what they are told by their corporate masters.

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    It's a global conspiracy, and it's all targeted at you. They want your spaghetti recipe.
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    Why is this a conspiracy? She's the Dem front runner, and very solidly so.

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    Isn't Hillary pretty much unrivalled?

    From what I understood the only one with a genuine chance of beating her was Biden and hasn't he backed out?

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...lls/president/

    Seems to suggest she's 20-40points ahead of sanders. There's not really surmountable.
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    I just got done talking with my friends about her and this election.

    Hiliary will undoubtedly win the democratic spot if not the election . But she doesn't deserve it. She doesn't stick to her idea if it doesn't get her a good image or power. She decided to ride the "I'm a woman "=change narrative that is stupidly sweeping the nation. I honestly feel like she'll be American merkel. When push comes to shove she'll choose the PC choice and fuck over America.

    Honestly if any democratic nominee deserves a chance it's sanders, though I want him to win his appearance gives me th thought he'll die within His first du not stress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowspire View Post
    I just got done talking with my friends about her and this election.

    Hiliary will undoubtedly win the democratic spot if not the election . But she doesn't deserve it. She doesn't stick to her idea if it doesn't get her a good image or power. She decided to ride the "I'm a woman "=change narrative that is stupidly sweeping the nation. I honestly feel like she'll be American merkel. When push comes to shove she'll choose the PC choice and fuck over America.

    Honestly if any democratic nominee deserves a chance it's sanders, though I want him to win his appearance gives me th thought he'll die within His first du not stress.
    Even though I support Hillary, she has been riding the woman thing a little hard. Also, these new accusations that Bernie is acting in a sexist way are BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Why is this a conspiracy? She's the Dem front runner, and very solidly so.
    I stand with with FAIR, and their opinion that the article is misleading.

    Bernie Sanders is as close to equal with Hillary Clinton as you can get in regards to poll numbers, even leading Hillary in New Hampshire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luftmangle View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/24/us...rets.html?_r=0

    Thankfully enough people are waking up to this obvious shilling by corporate media.

    http://fair.org/home/action-alert-ny...mocratic-race/

    Don't let corporate media make the decisions for you.

    Don't vote Hillary. Enough is enough.
    Of course don't vote Hillary. That goes without saying. But the media couldn't stop her from being the frontrunner even if they tried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merkava View Post
    Of course don't vote Hillary. That goes without saying. But the media couldn't stop her from being the frontrunner even if they tried.
    Establishment goes with that. I don't really think Hillary has a strong lead as people think. She has a fortress don't get me wrong, HOWEVER Bernie Sanders is getting stronger and has been since he announced presidency. I'll admit there are times I feel like this is too good to be true but I can't deny his success. I'll stay with Sanders until the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalkinDude View Post
    So because she leads in a very selective group of polls at this moment in time, the NYT should declare her the victor rather than report on the multiple candidates who are also vying for the Presidency. Make no mistake, Hillary is the only one in the running who has a chance in the general election. But that doesn't mean that the media should rally around her rather than serve their purpose of informing the public.
    If the NYT declared her the victor, it's not in that article.

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    Look up who all those news outlets are owned by, then look up who the biggest contributors to Clinton are.
    This is really no surprise.




    Just glad i'm not american and we have a different election system here.

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    Choose whoever you want. They are still gonna get Trumped..

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    Choose whoever you want. They are still gonna get Trumped..
    Can't stump the Trump!

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    I like Bernie Sanders, but I would rather have a run of the mill same as all the other candidates nominee. I want a functional government. Nothing Sanders sends to congress will pass, he might take his values to heart and veto everything the Republican congress sends him.

    I don't want the government to shut down every other month because they can't agree on a budget and congress can't get a supermajority. I don't want it to be a back and forth shit show until 2020 (more so than normal, that is).

    If Hillary becomes president, it will be the status quo, with a couple more liberal judges added to the Supreme Court. And that is just fine in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Establishment goes with that. I don't really think Hillary has a strong lead as people think. She has a fortress don't get me wrong, HOWEVER Bernie Sanders is getting stronger and has been since he announced presidency. I'll admit there are times I feel like this is too good to be true but I can't deny his success. I'll stay with Sanders until the end.
    Agreed with everything. Good comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    The masses do what they are told by their corporate masters.
    I have some breaking news, Shrillary isn't the only thing the media/corporations are selling that the masses are buying. Seems like the "masses" will basically buy anything the media/corporations sell and will do it happily. Just ask all those people wearing the 5$ t-shirts with the 70$ name on it. Or the 600$ I phone manufactured in a sweat shop in China.

    Truth is all the candidates in both parties are absolute garbage. They couldn't muster up a 1/2 oz of leadership if they combined their efforts...
    Last edited by Alydael; 2015-10-31 at 12:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    If the NYT declared her the victor, it's not in that article.
    I think it is a bit telling that NYT didn't mention any other candidates in the race for the Democratic ticket, though they discussed essentially everyone in the republican race, couple this with "Hillary being unrivaled".

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    Bernie Sanders is Ron Paul 2.0 and as soon as his supporters figure that out, the easier this is going to be.

    Why do I say that? Because here is the alternative. Let's imagine he gets elected? Congratulations we have a Democratic Socialist as President, the latter portion of that phrase will be enough to rally immense amounts of opposition to him. It will make Obama's tenure look like a golden era of bipartisanship.

    For Sander's agenda to succeed he needs 219 Congressmen and 60 Senators. He would also probably need a 5-4 Supreme Court majorty. Could Sanders get 60 Senate votes? Maybe by 2020. Not before that. More likely Democrats will win back the senate, but not go past 55. As for the House, thanks to redistricting, that will be in Republican hands until after the 2020 census. And likely well after that. It took Republicans from 1952-1994 to win back the house. Democrats winning back the House could easily take decades.

    And on both counts, you need to consider how Democrats got their majority last decade and how they would have to do it: by electing Blue Dog 'Conservative" Democrats, who will not vote for Sanders more radical proposals.

    This makes the bar high... extremely high... for anything Sanders wants to do. As I've said before, Sanders isn't the President the left wants in 2016. He's the one they want in 2024 or 2028 when they have all the pieces in place to push a left agenda. As it stands, Bernie Sanders would crash upon the wall of House Republicans at the very least, in a way that make him an utterly unaccomplished President. Most of Obama's "change" Agenda came in the first two years of his Presidency, when he had 59/60 votes in the Senate and a House Majority (until 2010). A key feature of his Presidency since then has been to utterly compromise on his agenda in order to do things, like keep government open and have a budget.

    Sanders would do the same, but worse. The Democratic Socialist would sign budgets that grew the Pentagon. Free College? Not happening, period. He too would be President Drone Strikes, like all Obama's successors and their successors will be. He will be President Corporate Wellfare too, becuase that's the only way the Department of Education stays open. Watch as President Sanders appoints a retired board member of JP Morgan or Bank of America as head of the Federal Reserve when Janet Yellen's tenure is up. Because that is subject to a senate vote and an Elizabeth Warren figure will never get 60 votes. He would compromise his beliefs and those of his supporters, on the first day of his job. Because the office is bigger than the man.

    And that's because the freedom of an elected figure to derail the country off a slow moving, chosen-by-consensus path, is limited. That's a DESIGN FEATURE, not a flaw. Sanders, like all Presidents, have less power than their supporters believe... far less.

    Now the retort Sanders supporters given when confronted with this is that "well we have to start somewhere and it'll send a message". First of all, it won't. If Obama was a message about a changing country, every one of his potential successors except for Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders is essentially a rejection of him. Second of all, Obama supporters said the exact same thing, and then 2011-2013 was filled with the wailing of how utterly let down they were that President Change because President Conventional... which shouldn't have been surprising at all.

    Do you know who President Bernie Sanders hurts most of all? His supporters. His true believers. They will have their hearts broken and their faith shattered in the political process. And that's because they're not remotely cut out for it. They want a dramatic statement with a Sanders victory. As if one vote has ever been enough to resolve any issue ever. Change in this country - like the transformation of the Democratic and Republican parties from 1960 to 1992 - takes decades. Political change in this country is about incrementalism... small wins and tactical victories adding up. They should be far less concerned about Sanders winning and far more concerned about replacing the Republican Majority state-houses with liberal Democrat state-houses.

    But they don't think like this. They want a short cut. A quick fix. Republicans took the house, took the Senate and took state houses, because they were extremely methodical and patient. "Change Now" has never and will never work in this country because of this brutal truth: this country is huge, extremely diverse, with a lot of money and a lot of interests... and we share. Abortion hating, climate change denying rural white republicans have ever bit a right to be a factor in an emergent political consensus as a post-gradate degree holding urban transgender black democrat.

    Bernie Sanders supporters ignore this every but as much as people who actually like crazy Ted Cruz do. They're guilty of the exact same sin: to mistake the man for being meaningful and one vote for having consequence and to forget the slowness of change is intrinisc to the American model, because of the wide array of interests and beliefs in this country that are protected. This process Prevents a Sanders Revolution. It also Prevents Roe v Wade being overtuned, a 10% Flat Tax and elimination of the Department of Education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luftmangle View Post
    I think it is a bit telling that NYT didn't mention any other candidates in the race for the Democratic ticket, though they discussed essentially everyone in the republican race, couple this with "Hillary being unrivaled".
    Its an article about the GOP field that makes a passing (and accurate) reference to the state of the Democratic primary. This is not a problem.

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