Is it possible for violence in games to go too far?

[pateuvasiliu]

Oh no, a robot tears off 2 arms and breaks one leg.

Fucking grow up. What, do you faint when you cut yourself? What will you do when your kid hits his head and starts bleeding? Run to the hospital while crying?

Walking Dead shows worse every damn episode and it's ''real'' graphics not a game.

Please post respectfully. Infracted. -Edge

[Jtbrig7390]

Lets all agree on something before I start. Games are a work of fiction; they don't depict reality. It's a method of entertainment that grew incredibly fast in the past 20 years and which built a strong, passionate generation of gamers.

A leak of one scene in particular for Black Ops 3 was released on the internet yesterday. It's extremely graphic, potentially spoiling, so be warned before clicking:

http://gfycat.com/CarefulUncommonEasteuropeanshepherd

When I watched it, I'll be honest, I froze. The sheer amount of violence in this sequence is at a new height for me. It might be related to the graphics that are moving out further from the uncanny valley, or it might just be that the game is in 1st person. It makes me anxious, though don't get me wrong, it makes me more curious about the game than anything else (We're used to CoD having an average-ish level of storywriting, so seeing something like this is surprising).

While I don't really mind the scene myself (I'm not going to play CoD, but it's more related to the fact that I didn't like past CoD), I was interested about what you guys opinion are about this. Does these things have a place in the video game industry? Another point of interest: what about Virtual Reality?

Yes these things have a place in the video game indrustry and no there is no such thing as going too far in video games.

Don't like it or it makes you unease then don't buy it. By limiting what can and can't be made in the video game indrustry you are censoring content and that is 100% wrong. Freedom of Expression allows the conte to be made and if you don't like it don't buy it. But you have no right to request it to be removed or outright banned.

Not going to watch the video because I plan to play it next week. But games like it or like Hatred are allowed to be made and no one has the right to ban them.

[Cattleya]

If it goes too far for certain people, then those people should just ignore it. It's not like we're banning extreme violence in movies, either, people just generally ignore horror and torture porn.

As for the gif, it's actually relatively tame when you compare it to some other games out there (recent example, Until Dawn)

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Oh no, a robot tears off 2 arms and breaks one leg.

Fucking grow up. What, do you faint when you cut yourself? What will you do when your kid hits his head and starts bleeding? Run to the hospital while crying?

Walking Dead shows worse every damn episode and it's ''real'' graphics not a game.

I'm not taking any sides here, but movies are not really a valid comparative choice. Movies are hardly ever experienced from a 1st person point of view. You also don't give the viewer any "impact power", since they're passively watching something. Whereas in a game, you're not an audience but a participant.

[Jtbrig7390]

I'm not taking any sides here, but movies are not really a valid comparative choice. Movies are hardly ever experienced from a 1st person point of view. You also don't give the viewer any "impact power", since they're passively watching something. Whereas in a game, you're not an audience but a participant.

Doesn't matter. There is moments in movies,tv shows that make you just as unease as a game does.

People are not allowed to censored nether and thats why we got Freedom of Expression. For example there was a moment in last seasons Game of Thrones Where they burned the little girl to the stake That made me feel unease. But I felt that added to the show even tho at the sametime I though it was a dick thing to do story wise.

Don't like it don't buy,watch,read it but no one has the right to censor it.

[Tradewind]

The only disappointing thing here is that there's yet another Call of Duty game...

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Doesn't matter. There is moments in movies,tv shows that make you just as unease as a game does.

People are not allowed to censored nether and thats why we got Freedom of Expression. For example there was a moment in last seasons Game of Thrones Where they burned the little girl to the stake That made me feel unease. But I felt that added to the show even tho at the sametime I though it was a dick thing to do story wise.

Don't like it don't buy,watch,read it but no one has the right to censor it.

Absolutely true. I hate any form of censorship whatsoever so I couldn't agree more on that.

Though the issue here is that if you actually get to season 5 in GoT, you know what you're bargaining for. Claiming that this sequence gave you an anxiety attack is harder to believe because you're so far in the show - even more since the show goes gradually through different societal taboos.

But in a game and with the growing technology, could this actually become dangerous for the person experiencing it? What happens in the picture I linked at the beginning of the thread actually happen at the very beginning of the game (at least according to the leak) and since the market is in majority targeting teenagers (don't be fooled by the Mature rating), could this have consequences?

[Deleted]

No. If there is 18+ label, there should be no limits.

Games need more no russian type of content. But the content should be built up and a logical consequence of the events portrayed, not just a cheap shock value and marketing tool.

[Jtbrig7390]

Absolutely true. I hate any form of censorship whatsoever so I couldn't agree more on that.

Though the issue here is that if you actually get to season 5 in GoT, you know what you're bargaining for. Claiming that this sequence gave you an anxiety attack is harder to believe because you're so far in the show - even more since the show goes gradually through different societal taboos.

But in a game and with the growing technology, could this actually become dangerous for the person experiencing it? What happens in the picture I linked at the beginning of the thread actually happen at the very beginning of the game (at least according to the leak) and since the market is in majority targeting teenagers (don't be fooled by the Mature rating), could this have consequences?

The same can be said about games as well since games have a M rating. Also just because you are 5 seasons into something doesn't mean something unexpected can't happen to make you feel the same way like the example listed above. Also to add those who play games enough will expect it in M rated titles.

[Wayne25uk]

That's why games have a age rating,if you cant read that then you deserve every gross scene you get. Also you have to be a giant vagina to be shocked at video game violence.

"Games are a work of fiction; they don't depict reality"

Sorry to say but some games are based on real life. Especially world war 1 and 2 games.

[pateuvasiliu]

I'm not taking any sides here, but movies are not really a valid comparative choice. Movies are hardly ever experienced from a 1st person point of view. You also don't give the viewer any "impact power", since they're passively watching something. Whereas in a game, you're not an audience but a participant.

Until games have IRL graphics, neither are they.

[Jtbrig7390]

That's why games have a age rating,if you cant read that then you deserve every gross scene you get. Also you have to be a giant vagina to be shocked at video game violence.

Not true there can be moments in games that give you that DAM factor. Personally I enjoy those moments since they are so rare.

Like for example in Gears of War 2 Dom had to shoot his wife When I first saw that I was like dam....

[Zandalarian Paladin]

The same can be said about games as well since games have a M rating. Also just because you are 5 seasons into something doesn't mean something unexpected can't happen to make you feel the same way like the example listed above. Also to add those who play games enough will expect it in M rated titles.

Good point. But then the issue come toward the fact that games are a medium which gives you control, whereas in a movie or a TV show, you're only passively watching. Could getting your limbs detached with brute strength while you are actually playing as that character impact someone in any way whatsoever negatively?

Also, slightly unrelated, I remember seeing a few videos of people playing through VR and being stunned during and after their play session. Here's an extreme example: https://youtu.be/l3V8zeSljUU

Since this thread is mostly aimed at now and the future technologies, I think it's a great example of why there's a debate that needs to be done.

Disclaimer before I get wrongly interpreted: I'm speaking from a hypothetical point of view. These are not necessarily my personal views on the subject and they definitely are not facts.

[Aeula]

Never. There's no such thing as 'too far'.

Only the fragile minded think there is.

So long as it makes sense and isn't there just to cause media outrage I enjoy it.

Censoring games to protect fragile little flowers is a terrible idea.

[apples]

violence going too far? pssh

i played megadeathkill violence-sim 2015 with optional holocaust genocide DLC and it was like watching a gentle stream tumbling down a mountain

breasts in videogames though? absolutely not, were not BARBARIANS

-america

[Jtbrig7390]

Good point. But then the issue come toward the fact that games are a medium which gives you control, whereas in a movie or a TV show, you're only passively watching. Could getting your limbs detached with brute strength while you are actually playing as that character impact someone in any way whatsoever negatively?

Also, slightly unrelated, I remember seeing a few videos of people playing through VR and being stunned during and after their play session. Here's an extreme example: https://youtu.be/l3V8zeSljUU

Since this thread is mostly aimed at now and the future technologies, I think it's a great example of why there's a debate that needs to be done.

Disclaimer before I get wrongly interpreted: I'm speaking from a hypothetical point of view. These are not necessarily my personal views on the subject and they definitely are not facts.

There is no debate to be had really. Freedom of Expression allows this content and there is no such thing as going too far with it because of this. There is also age limits placed on said content.

Because there is a age system and because there is Freedom of Expression all forms of content graphic or not is allowed to be made.

And like my example showed you can feel the sameway about a Movie,Tv show that you feel in a game. Control doesn't have to play any kind of factor in it at all.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

There is no debate to be had really. Freedom of Expression allows this content and there is no such thing as going too far with it because of this. There is also age limits placed on said content.

Because there is a age system and because there is Freedom of Expression all forms of content graphic or not is allowed to be made.

It's not a matter of if a game can be made rather than if a platform will accept to distribute it. If Sony and Microsoft refuses to publish your game because of these factors, if the occulus refuses to publish your game for the same reason... no matter the rules about freedom of expression, it's about a private company policies. If enough pressure is applied toward them, there's a big chance they put internal rules about these games. Hence why there will eventually be a debate about it.

And like my example showed you can feel the sameway about a Movie,Tv show that you feel in a game. Control doesn't have to play any kind of factor in it at all.

I don't entirely agree with this, as I believe that the stimulation through a game is more powerful than a movie/show. This doesn't mean I believe it has any impact in real life whatsoever, but since there's no studies about games made through VR yet, it's hard to know the real impact it can have.

[Leyre]

When I watched it, I'll be honest, I froze.

You dont surf the web that often, do you?

[Acelius]

If anyone is offended or shocked about that link they should play Soldier of Fortune or Postal.

[AeneasBK]

Found the scene in MW2 where you gun down an airport full of screaming civilians more disturbing than that gif.

S'why I don't play CoD games anymore.