1. #4761
    So, I am trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong with this Anger Management + Booming Voice setup. I know it's what everyone has been using in higher up mythic raiding, keystones, and even the challenge. I cannot figure out what I'm doing wrong here if anyone can enlighten me.

    I attacked the lesser sparing partner with the AM + BV build and went until I died, got to 83 stacks (I used legendary bracers + belt here). Rotation was roughly Shield Slam > Revenge > Thunderclap, used ignore pain to avoid hitting rage cap or critically low, did 375k dps (Other note: Was using Renewed Fury and Devastator for other relevant talents).

    2nd time I used the regular Vengeance + HR build with legendary bracers + gloves. Did the same amount of dps as the AM + BV build. Am I misunderstanding the rotation or what? Is it only better against multiple targets? I feel so much squishier with the AM + BV setup than the standard vengeance + HR.

    I want to beat the challenge, but damn do I think I'm falling behind on the dps check. I'm sitting on i894 after shifting gear around to be very vers heavy along with using different trinkets when my regular ilvl is 905 with standard gear (this is mostly be due to the trinkets, using Gronntooth + Gift of Radiance for the stun. My ilvl if I were to use my standard tanking trinkets goes up to 901 with the "challenge gear" that's vers heavy at 23%).

    So, am I just fucking up the rotation, doing something wrong, or not understanding the best way to utilize the build?

    Edit: Did get Kruul to 5% using Vengeance build, then one of my allies died. Haven't gotten that close since because I get knocked off or die to fire patches in phase 2.

    Edit2: Beat the challenge with the Vengeance build. Still hate that challenge.
    Last edited by Dralas; 2017-04-16 at 08:52 AM.

  2. #4762
    Am i the only one that has the feeling, that the 30% nether horror add nerf was a buff for the challenge? These adds die so fast now. I have a lot more problems with P1 this time, because i dont have anything to attack or reset my victory rush for a long time and have to use orbs/cds to survive.

  3. #4763
    I had so much fun progressing on Kruul.


  4. #4764
    Quote Originally Posted by Demos1184 View Post
    I had so much fun progressing on Kruul.

    Good times.

  5. #4765
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    Question Is Arhimonde's Hatred worth changing spec?

    My wee warrior alt has grown up enough to tank some decent content - 895 and counting - so I'm starting to think more about how to play him well. I've been playing Devastator since I've had access to Vengeance; my complete build is...
    • Shockwave
    • Inspiring Presence
    • Renewed Fury
    • Crackling Thunder
    • Devastator
    • Vengeance
    • Heavy Repercussions

    My legendaries atm are:
    Aggramar's Stride
    Rethu's Incessant Courage
    Archimonde's Hatred Reborn

    I've been using the boots and belt for easy content, because moving around so fast is fun, but swapping in the trinket when survivability is an issue. Devastator makes perfect sense with the boot and belt, but the trinket scales off total health. I already macro it to Last Stand, but am wondering if it would be worth swapping to Indomitable for those situations as well, if only to get more out of the trinket.

    Thoughts?
    Thanks!
    Last edited by Peacekeeper Benhir; 2017-04-20 at 05:16 AM.

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  6. #4766
    Quote Originally Posted by Peacekeeper Benhir View Post
    My wee warrior alt has grown up enough to tank some decent content - 895 and counting - so I'm starting to think more about how to play him well. I've been playing Devastator since I've had access to Vengeance; my complete build is...
    • Shockwave
    • Inspiring Presence
    • Renewed Fury
    • Crackling Thunder
    • Devastator
    • Vengeance
    • Heavy Repercussions

    My legendaries atm are:
    Aggramar's Stride
    Rethu's Incessant Courage
    Archimonde's Hatred Reborn

    I've been using the boots and belt for easy content, because moving around so fast is fun, but swapping in the trinket when survivability is an issue. Devastator makes perfect sense with the boot and belt, but the trinket scales off total health. I already macro it to Last Stand, but am wondering if it would be worth swapping to Indomitable for those situations as well, if only to get more out of the trinket.

    Thoughts?
    Thanks!
    The only reason to ever go Indomitable is if you're literally getting oneshot, and even then better cooldown management would probably save you anyway. Doubt the marginal increase in the value of the trinket outweighs the massive damage + survivability boost Devastator gives you.

  7. #4767
    Update on Devastator and tracking your swing timer:

    Tracking your swing timer when running Devastator is not worthwhile. Any sort of delay due to your swing timer is ordinarily a very small loss, and may sometimes be a very small gain, but not one worth altering your rotation or paying attention to a swing timer for.
    As such, just cast your abilities as normal and don't worry about overwriting Shield Slam procs. You don't need to track your swing timer for any reason.

    Devastator Sim Results Spreadsheet

  8. #4768
    Quote Originally Posted by Marok View Post
    Update on Devastator and tracking your swing timer:

    Tracking your swing timer when running Devastator is not worthwhile. Any sort of delay due to your swing timer is ordinarily a very small loss, and may sometimes be a very small gain, but not one worth altering your rotation or paying attention to a swing timer for.
    As such, just cast your abilities as normal and don't worry about overwriting Shield Slam procs. You don't need to track your swing timer for any reason.

    Devastator Sim Results Spreadsheet
    Can we quickly recognize the guy that said this months ago and got told he was wrong (wasn't me, I just don't remember the guy's name)

  9. #4769
    I've never tracked my swing timer with Devastator. Tried it for 1 raid when it was first released and the WA was being thrown around, but i could feel it not working like people "thought" it was. Plus it's not fun, at all.

  10. #4770
    Quote Originally Posted by Alaexaender View Post
    Can we quickly recognize the guy that said this months ago and got told he was wrong (wasn't me, I just don't remember the guy's name)
    People that dont blindly follow guides already knew this, we do not play with 0 ms and we do not have situations where you can care so much about the swing timer instead of the pummeling thats about to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moggers1990 View Post
    I've never tracked my swing timer with Devastator. Tried it for 1 raid when it was first released and the WA was being thrown around, but i could feel it not working like people "thought" it was. Plus it's not fun, at all.
    Yea I agree. Tried it, saw no inherit gain especially for extra focus required to keep up with it and it sucks even more when you delay something just for devastator not to proc a SS.
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  12. #4772
    Quote Originally Posted by Arbiter View Post
    Yea I agree. Tried it, saw no inherit gain especially for extra focus required to keep up with it and it sucks even more when you delay something just for devastator not to proc a SS.
    Raw swing timer doesn't help me either, but the weakaura that puts up a "don't swing yet" warning does.

    When it shows I can make the choice whether to delay and fish for optimal procs, or push through depending on situation. It's been best of both worlds.

  13. #4773
    It was always clear that monitoring your auto-attack timer was not needed to be successful with Devastator. That being said, there are genuinely some moments where delaying the use of an ability (usually by a small fraction of a second) in hopes of a Shield Slam reset from autoattack nets both a DPS and survivability increase; however, identifying those moments takes a ton of practice and is generally not worth paying attention to for the vast majority of players. Even for those who can play off it, it is usually a marginal benefit and may be outweighed by the potential of screwing it up, which kills your gains

    As a player who spent 5 years playing EverQuest 2 where timing your auto-attacks with abilities is a fundamental mechanic for all classes, playing off Devastator resets feels effortless. Thus, I will continue to delay, where appropriate, on-the-fly.
    Last edited by Arker42; 2017-04-21 at 08:41 PM.

  14. #4774


    Finally joining the Kakushan's club. About fecking time...

  15. #4775
    Quote Originally Posted by Toybox View Post


    Finally joining the Kakushan's club. About fecking time...
    Got the trinket today. So that's 8 legendaries and no Kakushan's. Feelsbad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demos1184 View Post
    Got the trinket today. So that's 8 legendaries and no Kakushan's. Feelsbad.
    You need to see that diffrently. Chances are high, that it´s your next Legendary!
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  17. #4777
    Quote Originally Posted by Demos1184 View Post
    Got the trinket today. So that's 8 legendaries and no Kakushan's. Feelsbad.
    Kakushan's was my 10th (included crafted). Only tank one left to get is Walls Fell, which I'm staying Prot loot spec for. You have my sympathies...

    And to add that extra bit of insult to it all, I just picked this up... My best weekend on WoW for a while


  18. #4778
    just did the challenge, felt really easy after the most recent nerfs. sad i only tried an hour last time tower was up now.

  19. #4779
    How does everyone here feel about certain proc trinkets from mythic+? Such as the nightmare egg shell.

    I'm starting to aquire a ton of trinkets around ilvl 900, not sure what to use. (Why isnt there a list!?!)

  20. #4780
    Chrono Shard seems pretty decent with the haste proc, I wish it dropped for me on higher ilvl

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