Why do "we" have to take in ALL refugee groups (and not just Syrians?)

[Deleted]

I can´t find anyone in my surroundings that can actually give a
single good arguement as to why European countries have to take in every single refugee group¨.
So I would like to ask the question here, because I know that there is a large presence of
politically left oriantated people that oftenly seem to support it, one way or another.

Taking in Syrian refugees I can completely understand and I fully support taking them in! (At least temporary)
But... what about the incredible numbers of refugees that come from other countries?
A large group is coming from African countries, Bangladesh and even the Balkan! These people are looking for work and/or
wellfare handouts.

In a city nearby they have taken in 600 "refugees" and they are all 600 African men between the ages 20-30.
I remember people there protesting in SUPPORT of taking in refugees there, because they all saw that
sad picture of a Syrian child washed up on a beach dead (Which really made some poeple open up on taking
in refugees). And now.. there isnt a single Syrian person there?! But they did put in financial refugees?

So I want to ask people that are in favour of taking in these financial aid "refugees" why we, Western/EU countries,
have to take these people in and why we shouldnt send them back?

[Venant]

I just wonder how this will impact the generous public welfare systems of these European countries.

[Deleted]

I just wonder how this will impact the generous public welfare systems of these European countries.

Whats to wonder?

A massive influx of people not accounted for in general budgets, who have basically no skills to offer and many cant speak english. How do you think it will impact the generous welfare system lol.

[nextormento]

The Refugee Convention was designed so "we" could be refugees elsewhere after WW2.
That we now have to accept "them" coming is just part of the failsafe "we" built for "ourselves".

[Deleted]

Whats to wonder?

A massive influx of people not accounted for in general budgets, who have basically no skills to offer and many cant speak english. How do you think it will impact the generous welfare system lol.

Lol. The best thing to happen to a lot of welfare systems in Europe is big increase in immigrants due to western falling birth rates. Immigrants are net contributers.

The rampant racism above in assuming that brown foreign people have no skills to offer is almost shocking.

[Deleted]

I can´t find anyone in my surroundings that can actually give a
single good arguement as to why European countries have to take in every single refugee group¨.
So I would like to ask the question here, because I know that there is a large presence of
politically left oriantated people that oftenly seem to support it, one way or another.

Taking in Syrian refugees I can completely understand and I fully support taking them in! (At least temporary)
But... what about the incredible numbers of refugees that come from other countries?
A large group is coming from African countries, Bangladesh and even the Balkan! These people are looking for work and/or
wellfare handouts.

In a city nearby they have taken in 600 "refugees" and they are all 600 African men between the ages 20-30.
I remember people there protesting in SUPPORT of taking in refugees there, because they all saw that
sad picture of a Syrian child washed up on a beach dead (Which really made some poeple open up on taking
in refugees). And now.. there isnt a single Syrian person there?! But they did put in financial refugees?

So I want to ask people that are in favour of taking in these financial aid "refugees" why we, Western/EU countries,
have to take these people in and why we shouldnt send them back?

Because war isn't limited to Syria? Not to mention there's more reasons than just outright war people can be given refugee status.

[Deleted]

There is this thing, that we are "responsible" for all thier hardship, they have to endure, because of our amibitions to save the oil resources and therefor engage in the middle east (which is mostly the fault of the USA). In Africa for example we are at fault because of the colonial age.

First, we should not have not engaged there in any kind of form, but should have made them trade partners. But this is not what happend and noone can change the past. But we did not learn anything an even now, we try to dictate thier life in some shape or form (also mostly the US in the middle east).

On the other side, there is always a secound person, who also agreed to this, because he accepted the treatment, or collaborated with them, for example Al Quida and the US (who supported Al Quida before they went to war against them).
So despite we pay them mony to help them grow (afrika), the don't get thier shit together to use these founds properly. Therefor I don't see any reason to take them, only on behalf of the fact that they are "refugees". Well, our goverment still supports those corrupt regimes in afrika, so it ios no wonder they come here, because thier life is really not that good.
Lessen to be learned: Our goverment is shit as fuck. Creating thier own problems, trying to solve them, when it is to late. (Scientists have forseen this wave of refugees 3 years ago ...)

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The rampant racism above in assuming that brown foreign people have no skills to offer is almost shocking.

Not speaking the language is the most essential skill to have, so they are deadweight for the system, until they learned it. E.g. there are so many foregin people working in callcenters. They cannot help you, because they sometimes can't understand the simplest of things.

[Deleted]

There is this thing, that we are "responsible" for all thier hardship

Simply not true.

[Deleted]

Lol. The best thing to happen to a lot of welfare systems in Europe is big increase in immigrants due to western falling birth rates. Immigrants are net contributers.

The rampant racism above in assuming that brown foreign people have no skills to offer is almost shocking.

Evidence about contribution is sketchy at best.

Falling birth rates is a concern, but is the correct solution to allow uncontrolled migration?

Rampant racism? You mentioned skin colour, not me bud. Language is an important factor.

[slime]

It would seem racist otherwise. We'll take in the Syrians, but screw this group or that group.

[PC2]

Because having more white guilt is a competition and you are winning.

[Deleted]

Simply not true.

Never said it is true. But thats what many people (refugees and some lefties say). ALso it is what the politicians think (at least for some germans; they still carry the burden of WW2 and feel responsible for it, but there is no way they could have prevented it, not even being born at that time).

[Azadina]

The rampant racism above in assuming that brown foreign people have no skills to offer is almost shocking.

Has nothing to do with racism. What's shocking, is that you think poor, thirld world and war torn countries somehow magically offers education equaling the west. Simply nowhere near true. So, sadly, until they are educated in the west, to meet our education standards, they are unskilled.

[Rennadrel]

Part of the issue with the whole system is that being a refugee means at some point you need to go back. Governments don't do that though, they want people to stay so they have more tax revenue, meanwhile they can't provide for their countries properly.

[Deleted]

Evidence about contribution is sketchy at best.

Falling birth rates is a concern, but is the correct solution to allow uncontrolled migration?

Rampant racism? You mentioned skin colour, not me bud. Language is an important factor.

Plenty of jobs don't require language. So they can't work in telephone call centers - they're all outsourced by your right wing loony buds to india anyway.

What is it about mmo-champ forums that seem to draw so many homophobic, racist, and generally loony people/opinions?

[Tech Priest Bojangles]

The rampant racism above in assuming that brown foreign people have no skills to offer is almost shocking.

You're right. He forgot their skills in Crime. They're pretty good at that.

[Aggrophobic]

Whats to wonder?

A massive influx of people not accounted for in general budgets, who have basically no skills to offer and many cant speak english. How do you think it will impact the generous welfare system lol.

You mean we get a lot of people that are willing to take the crappiest jobs, for the lowest salaries?
Yeah, for the average European, this is probably a good thing in the long run and if you happen to be a bit of a businessman then you can make millions from other peoples misery.

Unless you're at the social rock bottom already, but thats usually your own fault in most european countries.

[Deleted]

Because they're people that will die otherwise.

[nextormento]

There is this thing, that we are "responsible"

This is so US-centric it hurts. But it certainly is what goes on in the minds of some people.
I dare say this analysis is obtuse and insulting towards those zones. Because thinking that everything going on in the world is due to intervention ignores a great deal of what those zones do. They're not merely objects of external affairs: they too do their part. Ignoring that is paternalistic as fuck.
In any case, international politics don't follow any moral code, any responsibility, any blame, any fault. There is no "we did good here, we did bad there"; the reality of what we do is much more cynical: we do the stuff that we think will benefit us somehow.
As it pertains to Europe, we implement balance of power and call it a day. We accept refugees because we want to be able to be refugees elsewhere.

[Azadina]

Because they're people that will die otherwise.

You've read too much bible, if you believe, that europe can feed all the millions of starving people in the world, with 5 fish and 3 bread, having dozen baskets left over afterwards. Europe is not jesus, with magic powers and infinite resources. One place cannot provide for the entire world, no matter how much you wanted to. Sad but true.