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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by FrozenNorth View Post
    This.

    I was fairly apprehensive about the priest hall before seeing the video, yet now the best I can hope for is that the current model is just a placeholder. Whomever designed this apparently had no idea about its functionality, what makes a location worth visiting, nor of the priest fantasy in WoW.

    WTB Paladin or Mage class hall. Call either a monastery and add doodads. Done.
    I'm really at a loss for why people want more human architecture in the game. How have you not had enough?

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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    I'm really at a loss for why people want more human architecture in the game. How have you not had enough?
    I'm open to other suggestions. For all I care the architecture could stay Draenei or be something else, as long as the layout and the functionality plays more to the priest class fantasy. For instance I would be fine with a monastery built on a basis of the style of one of the horde races.

    After now having watched some flythrough preview videos on YouTube of all the class halls, I have to say that I would prefer the layout of *any* of the others, compared to the nearly featureless hall we have now for priests.
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  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    I'm really at a loss for why people want more human architecture in the game. How have you not had enough?
    It's not about it being human or not. This draenei architecture is incredibly bland and completely lacks a priesty feel. This could just as easily be any given draenei building in TBC.

  5. #45
    It's gorgeous. I really really liked Auchindoun in Draenor (and was sooo disappointed about Karabor), so this makes me really happy. I'll love to spend time there on my various priests

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    Also, good lord, not another Monastery please. I'm not a monk, or a human of the Scarlet Crusade.

    This one is fitting for pretty much all races, just like it should be. I think the Priest Class Hall was probably the most difficult one to come up with a concept for -- because all Priests of the different races represent entirely different religions (or no religion at all). So the place should absolutely NOT represent just one specific religion. It should just be a place that looks "vaguely spiritual", like this one does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thalendil View Post
    It's not about it being human or not. This draenei architecture is incredibly bland and completely lacks a priesty feel. This could just as easily be any given draenei building in TBC.

    It represents the "priesty feel" I get on my Night Elf, Blood Elf and Gnome priests quite well. Sort of intricate, spiritual, but not overly religious.

    What else would you want? Some holy cathedral? What about Night Elves, Trolls, Blood Elves, Goblins ...? They wouldn't fit in there at all.

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Awbee View Post
    It's gorgeous. I really really liked Auchindoun in Draenor (and was sooo disappointed about Karabor), so this makes me really happy. I'll love to spend time there on my various priests
    The architecture is ok, but the problem is that there are four mayor lore foundations for the priest class and this is only one, and it is the arrogant one claiming to be the only real one, too.

    I really, really dislike the Naaru as mediators between the priests and the light.
    They might have great wisdom and a good handle on light (and shadow!) but they aren't as benevolent as they want to appear and I distrust them immensely from the rp point of view my priest has. She is a former mage who believes the ability to draw on the light is granted to her by the benevolence of Elune.
    What the Naaru are doing and proposing is basically shadow magic: Forcefully drawing the light out of other living beings and restributing it, which could have the same effect but would be ethically reprehensible, possibly on the same level as (unconsentional) necromancy and demonology.

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Awbee View Post
    It's gorgeous. I really really liked Auchindoun in Draenor (and was sooo disappointed about Karabor), so this makes me really happy. I'll love to spend time there on my various priests

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    Also, good lord, not another Monastery please. I'm not a monk, or a human of the Scarlet Crusade.

    This one is fitting for pretty much all races, just like it should be. I think the Priest Class Hall was probably the most difficult one to come up with a concept for -- because all Priests of the different races represent entirely different religions (or no religion at all). So the place should absolutely NOT represent just one specific religion. It should just be a place that looks "vaguely spiritual", like this one does.

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    It represents the "priesty feel" I get on my Night Elf, Blood Elf and Gnome priests quite well. Sort of intricate, spiritual, but not overly religious.

    What else would you want? Some holy cathedral? What about Night Elves, Trolls, Blood Elves, Goblins ...? They wouldn't fit in there at all.
    I'm not saying it shouldn't be a draenei temple (although one could make the same arguement that goblins, trolls, nelfs etc. don't really fit in a draenei temple any more than they do in a cathedral). The issue I have with it, is that it in no way looks like something remotely related to priests, it could easily be Random Draenei Ruin #49595 and it wouldn't stand out. The yellow room is the only one that comes remotely close to resemble something spiritual (or dark for shadow), but even that one is a little unimpressive for something that is intended to really help establish class fantasy (especially compared to some other class halls).

    I understand the specific race(or rather deity)-related issues priests have makes it difficult, but this just feels like a bland cop out to be done with it. I really hope this is an early WIP.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Thalendil View Post
    I'm not saying it shouldn't be a draenei temple (although one could make the same arguement that goblins, trolls, nelfs etc. don't really fit in a draenei temple any more than they do in a cathedral). The issue I have with it, is that it in no way looks like something remotely related to priests, it could easily be Random Draenei Ruin #49595 and it wouldn't stand out. The yellow room is the only one that comes remotely close to resemble something spiritual (or dark for shadow), but even that one is a little unimpressive for something that is intended to really help establish class fantasy (especially compared to some other class halls).

    I understand the specific race(or rather deity)-related issues priests have makes it difficult, but this just feels like a bland cop out to be done with it. I really hope this is an early WIP.
    What exactly is something "remotely related to priests" then? It's a draenei temple, it's where draenei priests do their thing. Seems related to priests to me.

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    What exactly is something "remotely related to priests" then? It's a draenei temple, it's where draenei priests do their thing. Seems related to priests to me.
    You say it's a draenei temple because we know what it's supposed to be, but it really just looks like every other random draenei building I've ever been in. I really hope it's very much a work in progress and they're still going to do amazing things with it, but as it currently stands I think it's very unimpressive.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Thalendil View Post
    You say it's a draenei temple because we know what it's supposed to be, but it really just looks like every other random draenei building I've ever been in. I really hope it's very much a work in progress and they're still going to do amazing things with it, but as it currently stands I think it's very unimpressive.
    No, it looks like the only other draenei temple we've ever been in, Auchindoun. Auchindoun does not look the same as the random houses and stuff in SMV or Shattrath.

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Awbee View Post
    It's gorgeous. I really really liked Auchindoun in Draenor (and was sooo disappointed about Karabor), so this makes me really happy. I'll love to spend time there on my various priests

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    Also, good lord, not another Monastery please. I'm not a monk, or a human of the Scarlet Crusade.

    This one is fitting for pretty much all races, just like it should be. I think the Priest Class Hall was probably the most difficult one to come up with a concept for -- because all Priests of the different races represent entirely different religions (or no religion at all). So the place should absolutely NOT represent just one specific religion. It should just be a place that looks "vaguely spiritual", like this one does.

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    It represents the "priesty feel" I get on my Night Elf, Blood Elf and Gnome priests quite well. Sort of intricate, spiritual, but not overly religious.

    What else would you want? Some holy cathedral? What about Night Elves, Trolls, Blood Elves, Goblins ...? They wouldn't fit in there at all.
    Yup. I agree with this.

    It's an absolutely magnificent guild hall. It's a bit small, but one of the datamining videos for it suggests that there are at least two other sub-main floor rooms that are modeled and could be added on. It's clearly not finished in that it's missing a bunch of stuff. But there is some really beautiful texture work in there, and I think the artists did a great job of tying together what could easily be the most difficult class thematically, especially when you take into consideration the different races involved.

    I feel a bit bad for monks and hunters, personally. The priest class hall really can't be mistaken for anything else (it might have a Draenai theme, but let's be honest -- no one is going to mistake it for Auchidoun or even Karabor with the light and dark setup and the cross on the floor), even without the doodads and extras. The monk building literally (I do mean "literally") looks indistinguishable from lots of other buildings in MoP, and the only real thing that seems to differentiate the hunter class building from the night elf buildings in Feralas is the snow on the ground.

    If I were able to have a "wish list" as it were, I'd ask Blizzard to add maybe some beams of light coming up from underneath the platform on the light side, and add an extra room or two. Maybe have a room with a suspended walkway and some Lovecraftian shadow tentacles coming out of the walls, and if you're shadow-spec, your character gets whispered to in the room every so often by Old Gods. Or maybe have a room where holy priests teach new acolytes to mend wounds. Or maybe a room where disc priests teach followers how to balance light and dark sides, complete with training dummies sprouting tentacles or something, or some poor kid loosing his mind and running around screaming like a loon (followed by a holy priest who is trying to cure his madness, and an unusually cheerful disc priest shouting that he'll get it right soon). Maybe add actual training dummies in this area for players to practice on -- some for dps, some for healing. Maybe add in a library (hell, the druids have a library . . . and they're outdoors most of the time) with draenai-esque stained glass windows with a bunch of old guys arguing the merits of disc vs holy with a bunch of others glaring at them for making noise, and the crotchety librarian trying in vain to get them to leave.

    All-in-all, it's a beautiful guild hall, and while it doesn't have all the goodies yet that I'd like to see, it's still a place that seems thematically appropriate and pleasing to the eyes.

  12. #52
    Pretty typical of Blizzard. Our "class halls" are going to be a "class room" more then anything....

    I was hoping for some ancient church with a large crypt or underground section where the Shadow Priests could hang out, not

    "A room... that is round... and slightly "shadowy"

    It isn't hard, Blizzard, to be creative. Same with the spell names

    Void this and Void that... Shadow this and Shadow that....



    good job Blizz =\

  13. #53
    The sad story is we don't have a history. The lore about priests is too weak, all about the light is about pallies. So we have to borrow Naaru and Draeneis Temples. I'm glad we don't get Scarlet Monastery. I can't imagine an undead priest hanging around that place.

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by XangXu View Post
    Pretty typical of Blizzard. Our "class halls" are going to be a "class room" more then anything....

    I was hoping for some ancient church with a large crypt or underground section where the Shadow Priests could hang out, not

    "A room... that is round... and slightly "shadowy"

    It isn't hard, Blizzard, to be creative. Same with the spell names

    Void this and Void that... Shadow this and Shadow that....



    good job Blizz =\

    Um, that's just 1 room. There's more to the hall than that.

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    I love how there are two wings, one for Holy and one for Shadow. I think Blizzard did a good job on the Priest town hall.

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by ICanHealWithBandaids View Post
    Not sure why they would go with a faction specific setup on this. A single design might work for most classes, but priests are thematically the most different between races. I'd argue Paladins and warriors would be next.
    The draenei are nearly neutral.

    If you think a draenei temple is bad, just think about blood elf mages being in Dalaran after the whole Purge of Dalaran thing.

  17. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by XangXu View Post
    It isn't hard, Blizzard, to be creative. Same with the spell names

    Void this and Void that... Shadow this and Shadow that....
    Creative in case of spell names means chaining the four particles they have choosen to represent the spec together in ever changing (lengthening) manner, to get the most unvieldly name possible. Which then gets badly translated into something even more excessively long.

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    Where is it located? Exodar? Or is it some sort of "rouge" Naaru spaceship drifting in deep space?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haajib View Post
    Where is it located? Exodar? Or is it some sort of "rouge" Naaru spaceship drifting in deep space?
    According to wowhead, it's actually a repaired part of the original Karabor.

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    Am I the only one seeing Calia Menethil on one of the screenshots?

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