Turkey shoots down fighter jet violating their airspace

[Zeta333]

As much as i dislike turkey for its radical views and v for vendetta type of government controll i give them props for standing up to russia and not taking thier shit. Shame my country doesnt have the balls to stand up to russia.

[Deleted]

Russian def ministry never said that Ukranian military jets shot down MH.

Only that its experts said the amateur PS collage of a jet firing a missile at an airliner was 'genuine'. A collage which, by the way, was debunked within minutes of going viral.

[caervek]

FSA are terrorists now ?

No, they started out as terrorists/insurgents and stayed that way. Just because they are "better" than ISIS doesn't make them the good guys (ironically it does make them better than Saudi Arabia lol).

To put this in perspective, one of the first things the FSA said they were going to do after ousting Assad (when they thought they were going to win) was revoke his governments ban on female head coverings in schools/universities (basically cover up the women and return them to the back of the classroom).

[Ninepenny]

"Turkey" starts WWIII for thanksgiving

[Skroe]

Turkey with Qatar and Saudi Arabia are ISIS allies, they support them with money and arms, the three countries are allied with the United States and Europe too, and none of them cares who gets killed in Syria or Paris ... it's a war of influence, it's dirty, very dirty. I support Russia's war in Syria, at least they are cleansing it from terrorists (Yes there are no "moderate" terrorists, they are all Terrorists fighting a Tyrant)

They aren't ISIS allies. They have funded Islamists groups against Assad (of which ISIS is just one of them)>

You need to be careful with how you phrase this because this type of sloppy terminology has happened before and has mucked up political debate for years. Lots of people, for example, think that the US "funded" or "created" Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan in the 1980s. They think this despite the fact that Al Qaeda (founded late 1988-early 1989) and the Taliban (founded 1994) both arose years after the US stopped funding Afghan Mujahideen forces in Afghanistan. Some fighters, independently, met each other in those forces and went on to leadership roles in Al Qaeda and the Taliban years later. But that is a very different thing than the implication of saying "the CIA gave Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar stinger missiles". Lots of Afghan Mujahideen just went home and had families. Lots joined what became the Northern Alliance. Because the Mujahideen weren't one cohesive entity, just like Syria today. Now what we get for this sloppy, imprecise understanding of history is the concept that Al Qaeda and the Taliban is somehow "Blowback" (a favorite phrase of the antiwar left). But that being the case would require foresight to an absolutely impossible degree... to the level of what is going on in the heads and the future plans of low and mid level fighters the US had no relationship with. Basically, it's a call to be afraid of cause and effect, and thus do nothing, which is ridiculous. So while the the Sunnis and the US certainly are supporting different groups in Syria, ISIS is a whole other story and the two shouldn't be conflated.

And more to the point, the larger geopolitical push back against Russia's dumb ambitions are more important.

[caervek]

Time for some popcorn, might be as fun as when they "proved" Ukraine military jets fired rockets at MH.

Ignoring the fact that never happened. The Su-24 is GPS equipped IIRC and military GPS is accurate to within a few feet so they should have lots of data to show the exact positions of the plane.

My bet is that the plane was over parts of Syria which are currently occupied by Turkey so both sides saw it in their airspace.

[muwatallis]

Winter is coming. And Turkey is going to freeze without Russian gas in few months ahead.

[Deleted]

Hope the news of one pilot being dead are true. They`ll probably bury him like other dogs who died in Ukraine.... ''soldier No. 2542 who died for Putins stupidity''.

Yeah, good riddance.

[Ninepenny]

On the other hand, PKK might suddenly find themselves in possession of some new toys. This game can be played both ways.

[Deleted]

Winter is coming. And Turkey is going to freeze without Russian gas in few months ahead.

Yeah, yeah - said the same about Ukraine last autumn...
Won`t happen, they need every coin they can get from those exports.

[caervek]

Lots of people, for example, think that the US "funded" or "created" Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

Because they did, they just weren't called Al Qaeda and the Taliban back then, but it was the same guys with the same ideology. The idea that the US never helped Al-Qaeda because they had a different name back then is just laughable, it was the same western hating extremists, saying otherwise is no different than saying that the Russia Air Force never shot down KAL007 because it was called the Soviet Air Force back then >.>

[Deleted]

I support the Greeks following suit. When a Turkish plane violates their airspace, give them 2 warnings and then shoot them down. With Russian SAMs, preferably.

Both are NATO countries. :P
What Greeks and Turks are doing is called trolling.

What Russia is doing around Turkeys borders is provocation.
It`s about damn time Turkey goes ahead with their plans to establish a buffer zone in Northern Syria - annex that shit and/or have your own buffer state.

[Keeponrage]

Only that its experts said the amateur PS collage of a jet firing a missile at an airliner was 'genuine'. A collage which, by the way, was debunked within minutes of going viral.

All I said, is that Russia def ministry never said that Ukranian jets shot down MH. I donno why do you come up with some experts? Are they affiliated with Russian def ministry?

[Deleted]

If only Turkey would be as adamant about protecting their border on the ground. But alas...

[habitsbreaker]

well the pilot looks dead so no more drama,
and rofl at everyone who say turkey/SA/qatar support isis

[Deleted]

I've got no idea why we consider Turkey our ally.

You wouldn`t want them as a part of hostile alliance. Let`s not forget that they sit on the crossroads between 3 (Africa, Asia and Europe) parts of the world AND they project power in to the Black Sea and Mediterranean Sea.

[Deleted]

Plane found in SYRIA, Turks violate Syrian air-space!

[Zeta333]

Plane found in SYRIA, Turks violate Syrian air-space!

when a plane is shot is can glide and fly away from the point it was shot. Magical i know.

[Garkanh]

viaolated their air-space? they're feminists?

[caervek]

well the pilot looks dead so no more drama,

If it turns out that Turkey shot down a Russian plane over Syria and the pilot was then murdered by jihadis after ejecting then the will most certainly be drama.

and rofl at everyone who say turkey/SA/qatar support isis

SA are ISIS biggest backer, this is due to them being the same type of Muslims and having almost identical ideologies. SA are just better at diplomacy.

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when a plane is shot is can glide and fly away from the point it was shot. Magical i know.

Video footage shows it coming down like a lawn dart.