Problems with Feminist -ism's

[Deleted]

Not even in the social sense.

Not in the historical sense in the anthropologic or legal sense.
Only in the bullshit feminist sense where everything is sexist everything is racist and you have to point it all out.

Gender studys in the current form is a cult not a class.

[Elegiac]

Not even in the social sense.

Not in the historical sense in the anthorpologic or legal sense.
Only in the bullshit feminist sense where everything is sexist everything is racist and you have to point it all out.

Gender studys in the current form is a cult not a class.

Once again; you have no idea what is actually taught in a gender studies class.

And apparently not particularly bright either.

[OrcsRLame]

"Feminism" just refers to the idea that women and men should be treated equally. That's it. If you're arguing that it means anything more than this, you're talking about a specific subset, and you'd be better served targeting your ire appropriately.

A self-avowed "feminist" who's loudly proclaiming that all men are rapists isn't espousing a feminist viewpoint. That's a misandrist viewpoint. By saying you take issue with "feminism" because of people like that, you're painting with way too broad a brush.

While I'll defend feminism as a concept, I won't defend misandry, or those who try to cloak their misandry under the label of "feminism". It's not that complicated.


Some specific points;

Not really "roundabout". Laws passed that made "gender" a protected class (rather than "women", specifically) mostly served to protect women, at the time, because they were the group primarily being marginalized on those grounds. If men start to be marginalized in return, the same laws protect men. It largely hasn't come up, because men largely aren't being marginalized.


Really don't. When I finished my teaching degree a few years back, one of the hot-button issues was that it was clear that young girls were succeeding to a much greater degree than young boys, in education, and there was a lot of action being taken to address that imbalance; we'd swung too far. It definitely was not being ignored.

Feminism is an ideological movement. Defending it with a dictionary definition is just bullshit. I hate to Godwin, but here goes. Do you know what Nazism means now? "Definition of NAZISM. : the body of political and economic doctrines held and put into effect by the Nazis in Germany from 1933 to 1945 including the totalitarian principle of government, predominance of especially Germanic groups assumed to be racially superior, and supremacy of the führer." That's a modern definition. Do you know what Nazism meant back in the 1930s? I can't quote you a 1930s dictionary, as that's not readily available on the internet, however, at the time Nazi simply meant National Socialist. It was the German right wing party. Do you think the dictionary definition was all, yeah Nazis are super racist and bad!

I'm not trying to say that Feminism will one day be viewed as Nazism or something retarded like that, I just think that using a dictionary definition, (which is more about current cultural perception than hard objective fact) to frame all discussion about a very complex ideological movement is painting with too broad a brush.

[Deleted]

Once again; you have no idea what is actually taught in a gender studies class.

And apparently not particularly bright either.

If they teach patriarchal theory and refer to modern day USA they teach bullshit.

[OrcsRLame]

Once again; you have no idea what is actually taught in a gender studies class.

And apparently not particularly bright either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JowiDnuBTHU

For anyone that has no idea what is actually taught in a gender studies class.

[Elegiac]

I'm not trying to say that Feminism will one day be viewed as Nazism or something retarded like that, I just think that using a dictionary definition, (which is more about current cultural perception than hard objective fact) to frame all discussion about a very complex ideological movement is painting with too broad a brush.

Here's the difference. The dictionary definition is not passing a value judgement, whereas the 'modern feminism is about female superiority' or other rubbish of that ilk is passing a subjective judgment.

Moreover, no more appropriate term for the movement exists.

[Theodarzna]

Once again; you have no idea what is actually taught in a gender studies class.

And apparently not particularly bright either.

Having taken 2 gender and history combined courses I can say I've learned only what the professors favorite books are, how much she loved Princess Diana, what countries she has been to, and who she is voting for.

So, idk, gender studies classes may vary.

[Deleted]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JowiDnuBTHU

For anyone that has no idea what is actually taught in a gender studies class.

She got me but her lipstick should've been red.

[Elegiac]

Having taken 2 gender and history combined courses I can say I've learned only what the professors favorite books are, how much she loved Princess Diana, what countries she has been to, and who she is voting for.

So, idk, gender studies classes may vary.

Failure to cover the subject material is lecturer error, not a commentary on the validity of the course itself.

This goes for any and all of the garbage youtube links you lot pull up.

[Deleted]

Failure to cover the subject material is lecturer error, not a commentary on the validity of the course itself.

With modern databases parentage is not tracked patrilinear.

Even with a brother girls are entitled to the same heritage or not.

You have universal sufrage an more woman go into higher education.

If you claim the US is a patriarchy you have no business teaching other people.

[Elegiac]

With modern databases parentage is not tracked patrilinear.

I take it English is your second language.

[luc54]

She got me but her lipstick should've been red.

Laura Southern is not a feminist, just watch the video a bit longer.

[Deleted]

I take it English is your second language.

I guess it is convenient so you can ignore the argument made.

If you claim the US is a patriarchy when the majority of voters are woman by a fair margin
and own the most wealth then you are ignorant.

[Elegiac]

I guess it is convenient so you can ignore the argument made.

Because it's not one that is based in reality and fails to use words correctly?

[Deleted]

Because it's not one that is based in reality and fails to use words correctly?

The reality in wich the USA is objective and demonstrable in no way or form a patriarchy.

You can not teach the US is a patriarchy and stand any form of critical evaluation thats why
you resort to such lowbrow tactics.

[Endus]

Feminism is an ideological movement. Defending it with a dictionary definition is just bullshit.

If you're trying to claim that a word means something far more narrow than the definition of the word, then you're cherry-picking your targets and prejudicially assuming that this target is representative of the whole.

It's literally no different from saying "this white dude's a neo-nazi, so all white dudes are neo-nazis." And when I point out the dictionary definition of "neo-nazi", you respond with "neo-nazi is an ideological movement and so forth".

I guess it is convenient so you can ignore the argument made.

You're misusing words, like "patriarchy", consistently. Hence the accusation. If you stuck to what words actually mean, that would help your case.

[Elegiac]

The reality in wich the USA is objective

And you say feminists are divorced from reality.

Bitch, please.

[Deleted]

You're misusing words, like "patriarchy", consistently. Hence the accusation. If you stuck to what words actually mean, that would help your case.

No i'm not you trying to redefine Patriarchy to a society where woman and men are different it just falls flat on it's face.

Even the feminist definition has lost all credibillity by hard data. Woman hold the majority of the active voting right by a fair margin that is no patriarchy.

But try me, try to tell me a guy can not represent a woman and then not change your position 180° when you tell me why woman are able to represent the interest of men.

And you say feminists are divorced from reality.

Bitch, please.

I'm no bitch.

[Elegiac]

No i'm not you trying to redefine Patriarchy to a society where woman and men are different it just falls flat on it's face.

A society in which males dominate in power, political leadership, and social privilege doesn't treat the sexes differently.

Right.

[chrisberb]

No i'm not you trying to redefine Patriarchy to a society where woman and men are different it just falls flat on it's face.

Even the feminist definition has lost all credibillity by hard data. Woman hold the majority of the active voting right by a fair margin that is no patriarchy.

I'm no bitch.

So are you saying that it's not possible for there to be a patriarchy because there are more eligible voters who are women? o.0
And this question has nothing to do with a "patriarchy" actually existing or not.