Backdraft will be a talent?

Deleted · 2016-01-18, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Ermahgerd

Unrelated to locks, but this line of thinking confuses me so much. WHY do people enjoy having to pick talents based on situations when they used to be baseline? It's completely backwards.

Having to go through a UI to change talents, which used to be baseline, depending on situation totally screams class flavor and identity to me. What happened to the philosophy of people picking talents because they prefer them in their playstyle with the new talent trees?

Because its false thinking.

It is rather like this: These mechaniques and skills are being removed to focus on another class fantasy or an other gameplay experience. But in order to make people happy who enjoyes how the class has been they add these abilities back as talents so you can pick fromthem if you really want to.

Same goes for MM Hunters. They remove SV as a ranged spec but if you really loved the gameplay style of SV you can spec talents in MM to convert the MM skillung to be playable like the old SV spec.

Too me it sounds like a win win situation.
You can, if you want, stay roughly on the same level and gameplay style as before but you also could explore new ones.
Of course it will not be 100% the same because of balancing and overall design decision like the removal of ccs across the board, but you will be able to skill backdraft it is not completely gone.
And as a SV Hunter you will be able to skill blackarrow and lock and load. It is not completely gone.

**Felpacino** · 2016-01-18, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Talime

Boomkins have allways been mobile. They allways have had instant starfall and travelform to shift out of roots/slows and get away. Since classic.
What you fail to see is that they have to use a global cooldown for each shift.

Stop comparing yourself to other classes who are fundamentally different. A Boomkin foe example doesn't have fear, nor a Pet, he doesn't have a low cd interupt and no seduce. A boomkin also doesn't have mortal coil.
Different classes are different.

Warlocks are meant to be immobile, period.

But it kinda is a running gag since classic that warlocks are allways crying despite beingallways extremely viable in both pvp and pvp.

And yes I keep ignoring everything you say because what you say is either wrong or stupid and just crying without arguments.
You just don't want to accept the fact that EVERY class is losing stuff. I have never said that every class is losing the same amount or the same things, but these classes are losing things they liked.

It is the direction blizzard is intentionally trying to follow: Making ALL classes unique again. What you are demaning is that you as a warlock get everything every other class has.
This is not going to happen. Every class will get its niche. A firemage will be an extremely mobile caster, while a warlock will not. A warlock will shine in other aspects like in selfhealing and cc. And of yourse DoT damage.

And guys stop saying that removing abilities is dumbing down the game.
A game where every class has everything like it currently is, is dumb. Because there is no real difference between classes nor their playstyles.
Fewer abilities with holes in their toolkits allows for more intelligent playing. You have to overcome the limitations of your classes via skill and prediction.

Boomkins' mobility was based on Cat Form and Dash. When they were in danger, they could shapeshift or use Dash. Right now, they don't have to go Cat Form, because Displacer Beast, already does it for them and they Blink with increasing their MS. When they get back to do dps, they go Moonkin Form. That makes 3 secs GCD. Now, they're mobile in Moonkin Form. Insta Starsurge, Backlash proc, Starfall KJC. They didn't have those before. Well, they had insta Starsurge, but that was a proc. Now, they can cast that anytime when they have enough Astral Power.

You say that they're trying to make the classes unique. I totally understand this. However, removing KJC and Backlash from us and giving to Boomkins' doesn't make classes unique. This is just being lazy. They made Outlaw as pirates, Survival as tribal warriors, Sub as master of shadows. All 3 I have counted got new things when they were made unique. Destro? They removed a lot what we had and made it unique? Come on. Destruction can't destroy anything like this.

Every class lose some spells ofc they do, I'm not blind. They lose, while they get something different to be unique. Making half of our abilities as talents and removing the rest is making Warlock so unique. Rogues lose Recup, they get Crimson Vial. Spriests lose Shadowform they get Voidform. Demo will be unique, I liked new Demo. Destro? Just a dumbed down Fire Mage. Aff? Their dots do little dmg, if you don't channel Drain Soul(Drain Life in Legion). Oh of course, Drain Soul is a talent now.

You talk about the most OP healing in WoW, Drain Life. That spell is so incredible, it heals us %3, while Sub Rogues get a talent called "Soothing Darkness," with that they heal %3 in every 1 sec while in stealth. Crimson Vial heals insta %30 and had 30 secs CD. Oh I'm sorry, you said that Warlocks were meant to be immobile. Well, Rogues were meant to not have good selfheals. Hell, they have even better heals than us now. Healthstone heals 50k, that's %10 of our health and doesn't fucking reset in combat anymore. Ember Tap is gone, it's would be a good change, if we had something in return like Rogues.

Dark Soul got removed and we got a talent called Mana Tap. Also Life Tap is back. Dark Soul was increasing our crit chance by %30 for 20 secs, what Mana Tap does is, it consumes %40 of our mana and gives us %15 dmg for 20 secs. Only Chaos Bolt's dmg got buffed for %21. Meanwhile, 2 Shadowburns hit more than CB and costs the same amount of Soul Shards while being instant. If you can't see the bullshit here, then you're the most retarded person on this world and in any other world.

You know what? I think I solved you. You want to win this discussion and you think repeating the same things over and over again makes you a winner. You think like this, because at first I approached you politely and immediately you said, "Cry more" , "I wrecked you". You think this is a personal thing. I'm talking about the whole classes and you want to win the discussion. You can't win, when your words are an opinion and mine are facts. I come to you with comparised numbers, while you mumble the same things. Prove that I am wrong, prove that Warlocks are getting treated fairly by the devs, then you will win.

**Duckz0rs** · 2016-01-18, 06:10 PM