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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryme View Post
    I can understand how you can look at this statistic and think it horrible, but I'm not sure what feasibly could be done that isn't being done already to change it?
    Well, to be fair, absolutely nothing can be done about it.

    The world is heading toward an inevitable dystopia. By 2050 there will be an estimated 9.6 billion people living on this planet, and by then, most likely the number of people who have amassed more wealth than the bottom half will be like a dozen or so. Poor people will keep getting poorer and dying from diseases, lack of clean drinking water, lack of food and so on, while the super rich will keep getting even richer. Right now, the super rich are buying governments by buying politicians, but that will get even worse, and pretty soon they'll start buying sources of clean water and habitable living areas, and start selling and renting those to their VIP club friends, while the poor people are left to fend for themselves in places that are facing endless droughts and so on. The US, for example, may very well face droughts in some areas, that will last decades.

    What the rich also do, of course, is straight up fund (the Saudi), as well as cause (among other countries, the US) terrorism, and radical people all over the globe, pitting them against each other for their own purposes. That'll continue, and perhaps even increase in pace.

    Obviously the rich will keep selling this image, this "dream" that anyone can be rich, and so you shouldn't touch the rich, and that whatever the rich do is good for those with lesser means. It "trickles down", so to speak. All of that, obviously, is lies and propaganda.

    So... Yeah. It is horrible. It will get worse. And you're absolutely right. Nothing can be done about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sydänyö View Post
    Well, to be fair, absolutely nothing can be done about it.

    The world is heading toward an inevitable dystopia. By 2050 there will be an estimated 9.6 billion people living on this planet, and by then, most likely the number of people who have amassed more wealth than the bottom half will be like a dozen or so. Poor people will keep getting poorer and dying from diseases, lack of clean drinking water, lack of food and so on, while the super rich will keep getting even richer. Right now, the super rich are buying governments by buying politicians, but that will get even worse, and pretty soon they'll start buying sources of clean water and habitable living areas, and start selling and renting those to their VIP club friends, while the poor people are left to fend for themselves in places that are facing endless droughts and so on. The US, for example, may very well face droughts in some areas, that will last decades.

    What the rich also do, of course, is straight up fund (the Saudi), as well as cause (among other countries, the US) terrorism, and radical people all over the globe, pitting them against each other for their own purposes. That'll continue, and perhaps even increase in pace.

    Obviously the rich will keep selling this image, this "dream" that anyone can be rich, and so you shouldn't touch the rich, and that whatever the rich do is good for those with lesser means. It "trickles down", so to speak. All of that, obviously, is lies and propaganda.

    So... Yeah. It is horrible. It will get worse. And you're absolutely right. Nothing can be done about it.
    Something can be done, unfortunately it's something that would be a huge set back to humanity as a whole. And that would be just robbing all the rich bastards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sydänyö View Post
    Well, to be fair, absolutely nothing can be done about it.
    Something will be done about it eventuall, one way or another, it always happened in the past and there is noting to indicate it won't turn out the very same way again and again in the future.
    I just hope I'm not around when it happens the hard way.

    The introduction of the public welfare systems have postponed it somewhat, and the two World Wars have reset the counter in many countries, ultimately civil wars are pretty much a given.

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    You know what won't help the situation, though? Electing one of those super rich people to the office of the President of the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sydänyö View Post
    You know what won't help the situation, though? Electing one of those super rich people to the office of the President of the United States.
    Voting for Bernie Sanders. Man practices what he preaches and isn't some super rich fuck because he doesn't take bribes like they do.
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    Even if you would "take away" all the wealth (which is hard, because it's usually invested in all sorts of investments), entire countries and continents would still be as poor.

    Some people seem to think that some sort of "revolution" could happen. Maybe... but it will make things 10 times worse instantly. Especially for poor people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sydänyö View Post
    Well, to be fair, absolutely nothing can be done about it.

    The world is heading toward an inevitable dystopia. By 2050 there will be an estimated 9.6 billion people living on this planet, and by then, most likely the number of people who have amassed more wealth than the bottom half will be like a dozen or so. Poor people will keep getting poorer and dying from diseases, lack of clean drinking water, lack of food and so on, while the super rich will keep getting even richer. Right now, the super rich are buying governments by buying politicians, but that will get even worse, and pretty soon they'll start buying sources of clean water and habitable living areas, and start selling and renting those to their VIP club friends, while the poor people are left to fend for themselves in places that are facing endless droughts and so on. The US, for example, may very well face droughts in some areas, that will last decades.

    What the rich also do, of course, is straight up fund (the Saudi), as well as cause (among other countries, the US) terrorism, and radical people all over the globe, pitting them against each other for their own purposes. That'll continue, and perhaps even increase in pace.

    Obviously the rich will keep selling this image, this "dream" that anyone can be rich, and so you shouldn't touch the rich, and that whatever the rich do is good for those with lesser means. It "trickles down", so to speak. All of that, obviously, is lies and propaganda.

    So... Yeah. It is horrible. It will get worse. And you're absolutely right. Nothing can be done about it.

    Nah, I disagree, fight, and those of like mind, need to fight, with votes, with wallets, with over all participation. It's a war, and what is at stake is the livelihood of the globe. The future you can fight it or you can direct it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deruyter View Post
    Even if you would "take away" all the wealth (which is hard, because it's usually invested in all sorts of investments), entire countries and continents would still be as poor.

    Some people seem to think that some sort of "revolution" could happen. Maybe... but it will make things 10 times worse instantly. Especially for poor people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mall Security View Post
    The problem isn't the money, the problem is the resources that money represents, stifling the freedom of the world at the whim of a few.
    Well, I agree but... there isnt a way out of the current system anymore it seems. Unless you would want to live through years, possibly decades, of chaos, poverty, hunger and war.

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    Im 100% sincere when I say that I see no problem with this.

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    Still waiting for that trickle down.

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    Survival is based on resource availability.
    Resource availability is based on gaining more resources than consumed.
    Which is the definition of profit.
    Humanity was always, and will always be based on profit.

    Profit hate is the typical syndrome of people who never experienced true hard times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deruyter View Post
    Well, I agree but... there isnt a way out of the current system anymore it seems. Unless you would want to live through years, possibly decades, of chaos, poverty, hunger and war.
    Nonesense, if people can put as much energy into fighting and wars as they put into working together and solving problems, the situation can work out. Meaning people of all nations all countries actually talk in a real debate, organize and agree on issues that are an interest to everybody.

    On a basic level our values in and of themselves can make it so that most of what everybody wants doesn't have to be in conflict, just like with we do with pollution countries need to come together by the people to do something to end poverty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mall Security View Post
    Nonesense, if people can put as much energy into fighting and wars as they put into working together and solving problems, the situation can work out. Meaning people of all nations all countries actually talk in a real debate, organize and agree on issues that are an interest to everybody.

    On a basic level our values in and of themselves can make it so that most of what everybody wants doesn't have to be in conflict, just like with we do with pollution countries need to come together by the people to do something to end poverty.
    And in what alternative universe do you imagine this to be possible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kourvith View Post
    Survival is based on resource availability.
    Resource availability is based on gaining more resources than consumed.
    Which is the definition of profit.
    Humanity was always, and will always be based on profit.

    Profit hate is the typical syndrome of people who never experienced true hard times.
    Well the fact that some have so much abundance with things like foot and water they waste it thousands of times over and that could feed people starving profits nobody. It is why we go to war it is why we have the global conflicts that we do. If the world spent the money we spend on going to war with one another most suffering could end over night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sydänyö View Post
    https://www.oxfam.org.uk/media-centr...economic-forum

    Five years ago, it took 388 people put together to get to this number. Now it's down to 62. The wealth of those richest 62 has risen 44% since 2010, while the wealth of the poorest half of the planet's population has gone down 41%.

    The old adage is true. The rich do get richer, and the poor do get poorer.
    That's capitalism for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mall Security View Post
    Well the fact that some have so much abundance with things like foot and water they waste it thousands of times over and that could feed people starving profits nobody. It is why we go to war it is why we have the global conflicts that we do. If the world spent the money we spend on going to war with one another most suffering could end over night.
    I actually agree, indeed. But there comes another unsolvable problem : how do you measure the uselessness of one's resources ? Like if a close friend buys a diner that's two times the size of yours, would you tell him : "you don't need all of that bro, and that guy outside is homeless, give him one quarter." ?

    Or in a more ontopic way : can you imagine a restaurant saying on its menu .. "everything that is purchased in a excess of one meal will be given to homeless." Do you think a lot of people would buy that excess ? Therefore, will the restaurant be able to make profits without inflating its prices ?
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  17. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Vargulf View Post

    ^Just wanted to knock out the whole "go to college and youll be happier" argument before it even arises^
    Go to college, study something sensible, and finish, and you'll be happier. Gender studies, art, literature etc are examples of things that won't lead to well paid jobs.

  18. #38
    There should be a standard for living. With a certain margin to a minimum and maximum.

    Al those overpayed international sportstars should be downright ashamed of themselves, not just these 62 superrich people. Nobody needs to make 40 million euro's a year. This is complete idiocracy. Yet we all applaud them and worship them as our heroes, even though its because they think its normal to own 7 houses 20 cars and make more money in a week than a normal hardworking man makes in 10 years trying to put his children through school and make ends meet.
    To clear their conscience they do a little thing for unicef. Maybe even donate a couple of thousand bucks (tax deductable).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deruyter View Post
    And in what alternative universe do you imagine this to be possible?
    It is possible, it is always possible, the problem is that it's always the last resort, just as human beings are at a crises. How much stuff have we seen in the past if not for a few misunderstandings, a little bit of this or that, a conflict could have either been resolved if something small could have done that wound up costing a lot more later.

    Weather it's just economics or social, people need to decide on what the investment will be. Our entire history didn't need to go down the way it has, people can learn and make better choices, if they stop and understand what our choices mean again.
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    Call me naive but, why shouldnt be applied geometrical taxes to your income? (to be redistributed to the society) Ie. Less than 10.000$, 15%, 1million, lets say 50%. 1billion, lets say 75%. The more you win, the higher ratio of taxes, but you still have more money, it just becomes more marginal every cent achieved.

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