Why Is Compromise A Bad Word In Politics?

[Vanyali]

You just answered your own question. It's the shrieking. That's how college rape laws and safe spaces have gotten where they are.

No, it's the shrieking of people against it.


Picture this:

You have someone that proposes an off-the-wall proposal. It's laughed at, looked at, and determined to be a bit too far, but maybe there's a reasonable part that can be salvaged.


You have someone that proposes an off-the-wall proposal. It's latched onto as a sign of everything bad, shrieked about o the internet for weeks, and gives the impression that a large amount of people care about this topic. The far more radical version is put in based on the shit spewed from *both* sides against each other.



Stop legitimizing crazies.

[Kalis]

I want left-wing policies. ._.

Stop being a goddamned Commie.

Embrace the centre right, you know it is your destiny young Tiilliiii.

[Deleted]

Stop being a goddamned Commie.

Embrace the centre right, you know it is your destiny young Tiilliiii.

No! It's not.

[Dextroden]

No, it's the shrieking of people against it.


Picture this:

You have someone that proposes an off-the-wall proposal. It's laughed at, looked at, and determined to be a bit too far, but maybe there's a reasonable part that can be salvaged.


You have someone that proposes an off-the-wall proposal. It's latched onto as a sign of everything bad, shrieked about o the internet for weeks, and gives the impression that a large amount of people care about this topic. The far more radical version is put in based on the shit spewed from *both* sides against each other.



Stop legitimizing crazies.

And the same thing can be said about treating a college chant or having two kinds of bathrooms as the end of the world.

[Vanyali]

And the same thing can be said about treating a college chant or having two kinds of bathrooms as the end of the world.

Those are included in the "crazies" most of the time. Crazy is politically irrelevant.

[Elegiac]

And the same thing can be said about treating a college chant or having two kinds of bathrooms as the end of the world.

It really can't.

The only reason why it has become acceptable to froth at the mouth in pursuit of social justice is because the opposition does exactly the same in their refusal to even consider a measured discussion.

[Rukh]

It doesn't sell well to the ignorant masses that you might have to compromise to be an effective leader. They want to hear that you're going to kick ass and they get everything they want and a pony too.

The reality is lots of compromise still happens in politics.

[Dextroden]

It really can't.

The only reason why it has become acceptable to froth at the mouth in pursuit of social justice is because the opposition does exactly the same in their refusal to even consider a measured discussion.

And the cycle will continue to the end of humanity.

[Damajin]

I prefer politics with no compromise, the problem is there's very little of this. We've got two sides of the same coin putting on a good show of not compromising while really just win trading back and forth depending on who is in power, each side pushing incremental changes that both invariably believe in except for a few diehards and dupes.

More gridlock is better for the average citizen, less gridlock is better for the business class and influence peddlers.

[Healing Rain]

I don't know.

The best compromise to the abortion debate would be to end government funding to pro-abortion organizations like Planned Parenthood.

The best compromise to the same sex "marriage" debate would be to get the government out of marriage. If two people of the same gender wanted to pretend to be "married" that would be their problem.

The best compromise to the healthcare debate would be just to get the government out of the healthcare system. We already have laws against corruption, antitrust laws, etc.

[Elegiac]

I don't know.

The best compromise to the abortion debate would be to end government funding to pro-abortion organizations like Planned Parenthood.

That isn't a compromise.

The best compromise to the same sex "marriage" debate would be to get the government out of marriage. If two people of the same gender wanted to pretend to be "married" that would be their problem.

Sure, but not everything should be compromised on.

The best compromise to the healthcare debate would be just to get the government out of the healthcare system. We already have laws against corruption, antitrust laws, etc.

Also not a compromise.

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More gridlock is better for the average citizen

I don't see how a government capable of working is 'better' for anyone.

[Vanyali]

I don't know.

The best compromise to the abortion debate would be to end government funding to pro-abortion organizations like Planned Parenthood.

The best compromise to the same sex "marriage" debate would be to get the government out of marriage. If two people of the same gender wanted to pretend to be "married" that would be their problem.

The best compromise to the healthcare debate would be just to get the government out of the healthcare system. We already have laws against corruption, antitrust laws, etc.

The compromise for PP is that the government doesn't fund abortions - it doesn't. PP has to keep double books specifically to make certain of this.

The marriage bit doesn't really work unless you slash all benefits associated with it.. and I'm not even talking about taxes, here. Medical benefits, death benefits... all things that would need *someone* to oversee it. The compromise is that we let the government handle it rather than giving that power to a private corp.

As for healthcare.. it's not a free market. It can't be. Allowing people to set prices for something you *have* to have is a bit crazy.

[Kaleredar]

If one party says four plus five is nine, and another party says four plus five is 45, the correct answer is still nine, not some compromise number between nine and 45.

If one side is abjectly wrong on a subject and denies the very facts that portend to dealing with something at hand, then their input on it is largely useless.

Like... climate change. You have the world's scientists on one side, and then you have a handful of conservative politicians. No "compromise" on hard science is needed there.

[Buxton McGraff]

Because if one party wants more funding for science and NASA, the other will want more freedom to spy on the American public.
So what we have now is a budget that does generously fund NASA, but also allows the government to spy on us.
The two party system is fucked, America is fucked, we're all fucked.

[Ahovv]

Because compromise typically means letting one bad decision go through in exchange for another bad policy.

[DisposableHero]

Because with compromise you end up with policies like Don't Ask, Don't Tell and the ACA.

exactly this:

Good Full Measures > Bad Full Measures > Nothing > Half Measures

Compromised policies tend to do more harm than good, because they incur the expense and fail to produce the outcome.

[Deleted]

Because it doesnt mean middleground.
Compromise in politics is:
Ill forsake my promises on point X if you forsake your promises on point Y.

Basicly by compromising both parties fuck over their voters.

[Milchshake]

You can thank Barry Goldwater. When one party enshrined the idea of being anti-government into a major platform.

Anti-government types win by 2 methods.
1) Enacting policy that actively dismantles government programs or agencies.
2) By rejecting any government whatsoever. Using inaction to degrade existing government capabilities.


Basically assholes that reject freeway spending bills.

[xChurch]

Can't have any compromise when some people view it as a battle for the soul of America.

[Auxora]

Depends on the perspective and context really. The problem being that in the House and Senate most votes on meaningful bills tend to be very partisan. For example, in the Senate a majority of the 100 is needed to pass a bill, so 51 votes. As of right now, there are 54 Republicans, 44 Democrats, and 2 Independents. So if Democrats want a bill they like passed, they have to convince at least 7 of the Republicans and/or Independents to vote with them (and for no Demos to flip and go against them). If any of the Republicans do go against their party line and switch, they'll often say they "compromised", but fellow Republicans would call them far worse. That's why the context and perspective of compromise is important. It's like whether you call someone who crosses a union picket line a scab or say they are just compromising.