One Archimonde is Impossible.

[Kufell]

Demon lore has gotten extremely messy with the whole Infinite thing, as well as how Demons only die when killed in the Nether has been handled. Has it been explained how Illidan was brought back given that he was killed in Outland which is currently located in the "Edge of the Nether"? Or has it been special pleading that the edge of the Nether functions differently to being deeper in the Nether or that Demons can additionally be revived through other means? Or simpler, did we just not kill him at the top of Black Temple? Haven't heard the answer to this.

[In Ogres We Trust]

To be frank, I don't see how this is a difficult concept to grasp.

[SirBeef]

To be frank, I don't see how this is a difficult concept to grasp.

Same here. The lore is not butchered in the sense that the stuff from the RTS games are no longer canon becasue if WoD, or WoD messed up shit. It is an alternate universe. So while the players and locations share names, that is all. It is completely independent. Maybe it is years and years of reading sci-fi and comics that helps, but this concept seems fairly simple. Demons do not die unless killed in the Twisting Nether. If the mythic Archi fight is canon then he is dead for good. If not, then his soul ends up back in the TN while he regenerates a new body. Someone asked about two Velens but not two KJs or Archis, that is becasue Sargeras empowered them and made them into demons, while Velen is still a regular Eredar.

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Demon lore has gotten extremely messy with the whole Infinite thing, as well as how Demons only die when killed in the Nether has been handled. Has it been explained how Illidan was brought back given that he was killed in Outland which is currently located in the "Edge of the Nether"? Or has it been special pleading that the edge of the Nether functions differently to being deeper in the Nether or that Demons can additionally be revived through other means? Or simpler, did we just not kill him at the top of Black Temple? Haven't heard the answer to this.

they need to be IN THE NETHER in order for them to be permanently dead.

[In Ogres We Trust]

Same here. The lore is not butchered in the sense that the stuff from the RTS games are no longer canon becasue if WoD, or WoD messed up shit. It is an alternate universe. So while the players and locations share names, that is all. It is completely independent. Maybe it is years and years of reading sci-fi and comics that helps, but this concept seems fairly simple. Demons do not die unless killed in the Twisting Nether. If the mythic Archi fight is canon then he is dead for good. If not, then his soul ends up back in the TN while he regenerates a new body. Someone asked about two Velens but not two KJs or Archis, that is becasue Sargeras empowered them and made them into demons, while Velen is still a regular Eredar.

What goes on in the Mythic mode encounter? According to the cinematic, Archimonde dies on Draenor, so regardless of whatever we may or may not like, his soul would end up back in Twisting Nether.

[Deleted]

The New 52 multiverse works in this case. The demons are like the New Gods, they are from outside the multiverse (and time). That's why Darkseid managed to invade Earth Prime and Earth 2.

[WolfRider]

If I had to guess, this entire "one Archimonde" explanation started because they wanted an excuse for it to make sense that Gul'dan is now in our timeline and he seems to know of Illidan despite the fact that - at best - his MU soul met him (and even that's questionable).

One name : Cordana Felsong.

She's a Main Universe Warden, she joined Alternate Universe Gul'Dan's Shadow Council.
She knew about Illidan, she's the one who told him.
Simple as that, her character was only there to bring this on the table.

[Rathbourne]

Kairoz didn't literally create that world. He discovered it in the multiverse. He created it in the sense that his interference completely changed how the world was.

I know,im just saying that its better to have made it that way to avoid the whole Nether transcends all realities a bigger problem.

[Kufell]

they need to be IN THE NETHER in order for them to be permanently dead.

I'm aware of that, thus why I even mentioned that in my post. The only statements I've been able to find in regards to Outland's location are "Outland is in the Nether" and "Outland is on the edge of the Nether", Edge being vague, inner edge, outer edge or somewhere between? I haven't seen an statement clarifying and the more commonly stated location of it are that it's in the Nether. Thus why I asked if it has been explained.

[munkeyinorbit]

Just posted a smaller version of this in the Sargeras vs Old God post. But I'll go all out here.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yat...outu.be&t=4m6s

I know it's stated and even underlined that it isn't official canon yet but this is for the sake of discussion.

...

Going to stop you right there. Your inability to comprehend the written word makes your issue invalid. What is underlined is Blizzard confirming that it is canon but they might, sometime in the future, decide to change it (still canon). It is also implied that they might even go so far as to remove it from canon altogether. The reason why the lore seems broken to you is that you have trouble comprehending basic English. It makes perfect sense.

A demon "dies" in the physical realm in some universe.
Demon explodes/drops to the ground/turns into bats
The soul which is what the demon essentially is can be visible or invisible
This goes back to the Nether and the soul gets a new body. This could be instant or take an indeterminate amount of time. Maybe it is based on power of demon. More powerful the demon, the harder it is to get another body.
A demon can be plucked or "summoned" (a new concept for demons) from the Nether where a powerful enough vessel can hold the demon.
Unlimited worlds in unlimited universes being attacked by unlimited horde of demons. Each is unique but it takes great intelligence for the commanders to coordinate.

[Rafoel]

Funny line of reasoning.

WoD - Demons can only die at Twisting Nether? How retarded!

Meanwhile 6 years earlier - "The only way to destroy the Lich King is to kill him in the place he was created". Well, I'm ok with that.

[Kerrigan009]

Funny line of reasoning.

WoD - Demons can only die at Twisting Nether? How retarded!

Meanwhile 6 years earlier - "The only way to destroy the Lich King is to kill him in the place he was created". Well, I'm ok with that.

Wait, what? When did they say that? But wasn't the Lich King created in either the Great Dark Beyond (space) or the Twisting Nether when Kil'jaeden bound Ner'zhul's soul to some armor in ice. No...

Nononono.

[Aquamonkey]

Meanwhile 6 years earlier - "The only way to destroy the Lich King is to kill him in the place he was created". Well, I'm ok with that.

Wait, what? When did they say that? But wasn't the Lich King created in either the Great Dark Beyond (space) or the Twisting Nether when Kil'jaeden bound Ner'zhul's soul to some armor in ice. No...

Nononono.

It's not the original creation of the LK in the Nether. They mean the Frozen Throne where Arthas and Ner'zhul merged.
Horde:

Uther the Lightbringer says: Alas, the only way to defeat the Lich King is to destroy him at the place he was created.
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: The Frozen Throne...

Alliance:

Uther the Lightbringer says: Snap out of it, girl. You must destroy the Lich King at the place where he merged with Ner'zhul - atop the spire, at the Frozen Throne. It is the only way.

The Frozen Throne is the key to the LK's power.

[shoc]

Honestly the "There are an infinite possible realities, and other realities only exist when some extraneous factor calls upon them." is the best explanation. It means that there are infinite possible Archimonde's, but really there is only 1 'Active' Archimonde.

The power of the Hourglass of Time was able to create a tiny pocket Universe only containing Draenor and it's moon. So technically an Alternate Universe but still, only 1 Archimonde and 1 Legion and 1 Mannoroth.

I don't see any possible plot holes in this explanation.

[Headayke]

Currently his Skull and the entirety of his Corpse is being hanged in Orgrimmar for everyone to see. His bones were also worn by Garrosh in a set of badass Shoulderplates and his shattered weapon displayed in Ashenvale.

His skull and bones are also lying on display for all to see in Outlands:



Funny how his shoulderpads change:



Mannoroth is not inconsistent. He died in our universe on Outlands, NOT in the twisting nether. Which means he returned to a different universe where his bones were not captured or left to rot and guarded by the orcs that already dealt with his bullshit.

You want inconsistency. Why the fuck didn't Gul'dan raise Mannoroth back in TBC since he had the power to blow up a planet but in Dreanor he can raise Mannoroth without much problem.

[Qualia]

His skull and bones are also lying on display for all to see in Outlands:

Mannoroth is not inconsistent. He died in our universe on Outlands, NOT in the twisting nether. Which means he returned to a different universe where his bones were not captured or left to rot and guarded by the orcs that already dealt with his bullshit.

You want inconsistency. Why the fuck didn't Gul'dan raise Mannoroth back in TBC since he had the power to blow up a planet but in Dreanor he can raise Mannoroth without much problem.

...You realized that wasn't Mannoroth's bones, didn't you? He never died in Draenor / Outland in our universe, so Gul'dan couldn't raise him back (plus Gul'dan never had the power to outright blow a planet up, but it isn't related to this)

[Verdugo]

His skull and bones are also lying on display for all to see in Outlands:


Funny how his shoulderpads change:


Mannoroth is not inconsistent. He died in our universe on Outlands, NOT in the twisting nether. Which means he returned to a different universe where his bones were not captured or left to rot and guarded by the orcs that already dealt with his bullshit.

You want inconsistency. Why the fuck didn't Gul'dan raise Mannoroth back in TBC since he had the power to blow up a planet but in Dreanor he can raise Mannoroth without much problem.

One would think that the name "Pools of Aggonar" would be big enough clue...

But at least you admit that the lore makes sense only to those that dont bother with details.

[killwithpwr]

You want inconsistency. Why the fuck didn't Gul'dan raise Mannoroth back in TBC since he had the power to blow up a planet but in Dreanor he can raise Mannoroth without much problem.

Gul'dan wasn't alive in TBC... He died during WC 2

And he did not blow up Draenor. Nerzul's portals did that.

[Ratyrel]

His skull and bones are also lying on display for all to see in Outlands:

Mannoroth is not inconsistent. He died in our universe on Outlands, NOT in the twisting nether. Which means he returned to a different universe where his bones were not captured or left to rot and guarded by the orcs that already dealt with his bullshit.

You want inconsistency. Why the fuck didn't Gul'dan raise Mannoroth back in TBC since he had the power to blow up a planet but in Dreanor he can raise Mannoroth without much problem.

That is Aggonar. Mannoroth died to Grom on Kalimdor and to Grom again in alternate Draenor. During TBC the legion was not allied with anyone, so raising Aggonar wouldn't have done anyone much good but them. Arguing about TBC lore in light of WoD is pointless anyway.

[Aquamonkey]

Gul'dan wasn't alive in TBC... He died during WC 3

He died in WC2.