Fight Log Blood DK - How am I doing?

[Deleted]

Hey All...

I'm tanking for my guild and have been clearing BRF HC with the aim to move to HFC N in a week or 2. Sunday saw us attempt and down Blast Furnace, Maidens...Blackhand is a sticking point for now (next time!!). Anyhoo my co-tank logged the attempts/fights.

reports/gXFxQkW4fb2nVzGZ <-- can't post URLs yet so you'll have to add the warcraftlogs URL yourself

I know I can do better in general, I don't feel my rotation and use of cooldowns is even approaching average but that might be my perception. I'm reading guides, playing with my UI and notifications etc. but would appreciate some input from other DKs.

You're looking for Luikai in the logs

Many thanks in advance and please honest, without critique I cannot get better.

Cheers

[Deleted]

Maybe look into pressing some buttons, such as deathcoil and deathstrike

[Frolk]

Ive no clue where to start, guess ill start with asking WHY are u still doing BRF and not done HFC normal yet?????
Normal Assault, Reaver and Kormrok is a billion times easier than Blast furnace and blackhand HC btw
From logs, ur more or less apply dots, then auto attack boss

Your first pull(Blackhand), u did: 9 deathstrikes, 0 deathcoils, on ur 5th pull u were up to 11 DS and 10 deathcoils.
Had u forgotten to put death coil on ur bar the first couple of pulls.

[Deleted]

Worse than I thought so far....awesome! /sigh - lots to do.

Why BRF - it's a new guild and so just because, some of us haven't done BRF (me for one) so just to see the content and get used to each other.

RE: deathcoil. Combination of new multi button mouse (G600)...played around with keybinds..and other than reading strats was first time and so WTF is going on.
I knew my DC use was poor and i think I tend to hold onto DS for big hits but probably should use more to smooth our damage.

Thanks so far. I guess

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After some thought, although brutal, the 2 responses have hit the mark. Happy for no-one else to respond - I know where I need to make my first change. #1: stop monitoring cooldowns as a priority and put some more thought into managing runes/runic power...ridiculous as it sounds the relationship between and capping/not-capping of resources has just clicked.

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[Ealyssa]

You really should read some BDK guide. You don't understand the basic of the class. Caping runic power for 2 minutes ? Seriously...

[Deleted]

You know I did read and I totally didn't get it...but its clicked now. No need for any more rolling of eyes etc...you've all helped, thank you.

[Nisth]

One thing that the others didn't quite mention is that you're using too many blood boils compared to death strikes. You shouldn't be using all of your runes as soon as possible. For single target you should be death striking as much as possible and only using your blood runes on blood boil / soul reaper when below 35% health.

[Deleted]

I knew something was wrong with my play, it is why I asked and I know I had gotten into a real bad habit spamming BB...I didn't quite realise how far off I was though. Anyhoo as I said the reaction really got me thinking and so I have made some changes to my UI so runes/runic power is 100% in my face + I've found a useful set of weak auras which I have tweaked to suit me and added an AMS + read some more guides and spent most of the evening spamming target dummies to try and get some muscle memory going, tracking resources better and not spamming BB.

I feel I get it now with rolling DS, using DC, crimson procs on defile or BB depending on cool down....back into BRF tomorrow, i expect that in a raid environment i'll make mistakes but feel better prepared.

Cheers

[scorpious1109]

No one should be too hard on op. Here we have someone who wasn't even told they were playing wrong or asked to seek help, they did so on their own accord because they wished to improve. yes, there were very obvious mistakes, but now that they are aware of them, they know how to fix them.

There's a difference between bad players, and players who are trying to get better. OP is the latter. Heck, i could sit here and make fun of his previous performance all I want, but when I started out as a Warlock, I was looking for Cloth with Armor and Stamina to survive better, and Daggers that did the most dps so I wasn't helpless when I went oom. Not all of us begin the game or return to it form a long hiatus with hive-mind knowledge of how things work.

As for help OP, what I do with my G600 personally is bind movement and defensive/offensive cd keys to the side buttons, and still keep my hand on the keyboard 1-5 for "rotation" abilities, like DS, DC, BB, disease appliers, rune re-chargers, etc.

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

You can just read up on guides on various sites though man, no need to log and make a thread here like you are seeking information that isn't available elsewhere.
Learning to play is important, and asking for help is too, but knowing how to help yourself is top of the list if you are going to play this game.
Literally every single topic the game has will be incredibly well documented.

[Deleted]

Jeez I hate the internet sometimes and by asking I knew I was opening myself up for various degrees of trolling...but you have to take things as they are sometimes and read between the lines. (Thanks for your post scorpious1109). But you know I didn't just wander in off the street and blindly post because I couldn't be arsed to help myself. I've read blizzard forum posts, elitist jerks, this forum, icy-veins, sanguinefortitude etc. and you know something simply didn't click and I knew something was wrong but without a friend playing Blood DK I had no-one to ask.

All it took was an outside view however harshly communicated and it forced a personal reassessment of various aspects of how I play incl. UI/Keybinds and even the basic understanding of the relationship between resources/healing/mitigation.

So again, thank you all however you advised me...it has been a real help.

[Deleted]

Did you boost your DK or level normally? I can't really imagine levelling normally and then not learning at least a basic rotation of the skills. No offence, but your logs look like that raid was your first time ever even playing a DK.
Anyway, I'd recommend a rune addon like CompactRunes to track your runes coming off CD. With Deathcoil stacking up Blood Tap you should actually be doing very few Blood Boils in a single-target encounter, usually only to use up Crimson Scourge proccs or keep your blood runes on CD. You start most fights by casting Outbreak as you run in, then Death Strike, Blood Boil (or BB first, if you can squeeze it in before reaching melee range) to get your first set of runes out.
I made a brief video wailing on a training dummy with a Defile spec for a different thread where another DK had problems getting a fluid rotation going:
v=19UVEnE5UWo (Youtube)

[Deleted]

You'd be surprised......let's just say I'm feeling pretty foolish right now.

I'd been using MagicRunes but CompactRunes looks good....i've made changes to how I was viewing my runes with MagicRunes but it's certainly something I'm going to play with/consider. Thanks for the video, my own training dummy work last night looks a lot more like that than my logs show AND it felt right (not surprisingly). Again many thanks to all, I'll probably leave this thread for now as it's perfectly clear to me what I need to do (and have started doing). As I said something just wasn't clicking, sometimes no matter how much you bang your head against a wall.

[Deleted]

I assume this is your armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Luikai/simple

Overall I would say you could improve your gear easily by doing Ashran, by farming Tanaan or by running mythic dungeons. You have chosen Defile, which is a wise choice for a starting dk and thus you rightfully focus on mastery. But several of your items lack mastery, I would try and find pieces that have better stats in general. Also you should add a socket into your neck along with an enchant.
Also you should try and work on the legendary ring quest-line. If you hope to accomplish anything in HFC, the ring will be of much use.
And my last point about your gear is that you should ditch that horrible stamina trinket. You don't need it. If you have nothing better then take a dps trinket instead.

As for your logs. I see no need to make a long response on what others have said, including you; work on your rune management and your RP management. You should not cap either.

From a quick glance on your kill on Iron Maidens (I chose a fight you completed): https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...casts&source=3

Your use of defensive cd's look okay'ish, though I will no say anything definite about it.

What strikes me though is that you did not use a single Blood Tap or Plague Leech.
If you want to raid with your dk you need to learn to use your talents. Especially on Iron Maidens, where you will have your blood plague and frost fever spread on multiple targets, you can easily use PL and reapply them with a single Blood Boil.

If you feel uncomfortable managing Blood Tap, you can look into picking Runic Corruption instead, which is passive. I would not use it as blood as I want to be in control of it myself. But it is a better option than to have Blood Tap and not use it.

I hope this helped you out and best of luck in your further progression!

[Deleted]

Thanks for such a considered response and recommendations on gear. Re: PL and BT - my incredibly poor use of them was certainly one of the elements of 'this doesn't feel right'. Now that I understand the rotation better and the relationship with resources I was using both regularly against the dummy last night...that and having some decent weak auras notifying me on charges/use of.

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So at the risk of more humiliation....better?

reports/yMLZ46QRj8VWdfmp

[Deleted]

Compairing the two logs side by side it looks like you made a big leap! Especially if you compare damage taken it looks a lot better. Someone more advanced may give you hints how to go from here, but you definitely improved

[Deleted]

I think so, it certainly felt better/more right. One of our healers asked what I was doing differently because i was no-way near as spikey as I had previously been. Still some work to do....2 things I have picked up on is that a: I could use DRW more and b: use Soul Reaper more, so there's some changes to tracking/notification so i actively know they are up/available and appropriate to use etc.

A bi-product of this all is that I understand warcraft logs better, never really looked in detail before....so much information to be had and used, it's been interesting looking over other Blood DK logs from similar fights.

[Jokr]

Best way to know how to play the class. Is actually, playing the class. More time you spend is the more you will know, just like school right .

[Felfaadaern Darkterror]

I won't try to get you to elite play here (I'm not there myself), but a basic approach to DK rotation is...
(well first - make sure you have Infest glyphed so you can Plague Leach more often)

If you have runic power left from previous fight, pull with Infest.
Otherwise, drop a Defile (group) or run up and Death Strike (single target).
DS-DS-Infest-Plague Leach- DS
Defile or Blood Boil when you proc a free one (more often if trash group)
Death Coil whenever DS is on cd - it boosts your max health and generates charges for Blood Tap
Blood Tap at 5 or 10 charges for more Death Strikes
Prioritize Soul Reaper over other attacks once target is <25% (unless you need DS for survival)

Now obviously the above needs to adapt to the fight, your current health status, etc., but hopefully gives you some idea. DKs can feel very slow (rune depleted) if not managed well, but you can enjoy a LOT of uptime if managed correctly. I am still learning, but usually have highest activity level (as measured by Recount) in my group. At least I'm clicking lots of buttons. :P

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Oh - and KUDOS - for being humble to put yourself out there like this, inviting feedback, taking it well, and so on. Always great to see someone humble and eager to improve!

[Paxz19]

I won't try to get you to elite play here (I'm not there myself), but a basic approach to DK rotation is...
(well first - make sure you have Infest glyphed so you can Plague Leach more often)

If you have runic power left from previous fight, pull with Infest.
Otherwise, drop a Defile (group) or run up and Death Strike (single target).
DS-DS-Infest-Plague Leach- DS
Defile or Blood Boil when you proc a free one (more often if trash group)
Death Coil whenever DS is on cd - it boosts your max health and generates charges for Blood Tap
Blood Tap at 5 or 10 charges for more Death Strikes
Prioritize Soul Reaper over other attacks once target is <25% (unless you need DS for survival)

Now obviously the above needs to adapt to the fight, your current health status, etc., but hopefully gives you some idea. DKs can feel very slow (rune depleted) if not managed well, but you can enjoy a LOT of uptime if managed correctly. I am still learning, but usually have highest activity level (as measured by Recount) in my group. At least I'm clicking lots of buttons. :P

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Oh - and KUDOS - for being humble to put yourself out there like this, inviting feedback, taking it well, and so on. Always great to see someone humble and eager to improve!

He means outbreak in this post. You can also manipulate what rune you get back when using blood tap and plague leech by the runes that are most spent so for example you have 1 set of all runes and use a blood boil which will spend a blood rune and death strike which spends your other 2 runes if you have 10 blood tap charges and use them both your frost and unholy will come back first but if you reverse the situation and death strike first and then blood boil if you use blood tap your blood rune will come back which you can bank for another death strike.

Another tip would be that you'll most likely get a crimson scourge proc in your first seconds of combat so you can use your defile with that, not garunteed but it happens a lot.
Don't hold back on cool down usage, this is something I see all too often even in mythic and people tend to just use cool downs when they are at 25% health but as the tank you should know when big damage is coming so just use your cool downs and they will be back in no time
Focus on mastery gear
Death strike will heal for more based on how much resolve you have so after a big hit it will heal more than at the start of the fight where you haven't taken any damage.
AMS helps you with magic damage but it's absorb amount is also based off of resolve so take glyph of regenerative magic to shorten the cd on ams.
Utilize your Death Grip as a second taunt with Dark Command.
Last of all have fun and abuse the fact that the DK is the best class in the game (not really but it's a hell of a lot of fun)