How the DNC Helps Clinton Buy Off Superdelegates

[Xeones]

While Sanders holds a small lead among pledged delegates awarded to him for his showings in Iowa and New Hampshire, Clinton's massive superdelegate lead puts her ahead 481-55 in delegates to the Democratic National Convention, according to the AP's count. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...delegate-votes

My understanding is there was a similar situation in 2008, but when Obama kept winning they decided to side with the voters rather than holding onto her.

If Bernie wins the vote for candidate, but loses because the establishment basically cheats her in the democrats will be in serious trouble for the general election. Those super delegates know this, it's stuff like governors and old politicians, I find these super delegate counts more or less useless.

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I think Hillary's goose is already cooked, even if she defeats Sanders the Base will revolt.

Nope if she wins, not by super delegate bs but actually wins then you have people who will vote against monsters like Trump or Cruz in the general election, more than it really being a vote "for" her.

[Dextroden]

My understanding is there was a similar situation in 2008, but when Obama kept winning they decided to side with the voters rather than holding onto her.

If Bernie wins the vote for candidate, but loses because the establishment basically cheats her in the democrats will be in serious trouble for the general election. Those super delegates know this, it's stuff like governors and old politicians, I find these super delegate counts more or less useless.

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Nope if she wins, not by super delegate bs but actually wins then you have people who will vote against monsters like Trump or Cruz in the general election, more than it really being a vote "for" her.

Haha. No.

I will blank vote if I can if I see a Hilary ticket.

[Blade Wolf]

Hooray so win win! You get to analyze data points and I get an answer to a question. :-D

In all seriousness though I wish it was a little more clear what reasoning they are using. I'm guessing divination using chicken bones...

they are using toast with jelly on it and it's clearly landing jelly side down everytime.

[Xeones]

Haha. No.

I will blank vote if I can if I see a Hilary ticket.

You like Trump or Cruz go for it.

[Dextroden]

You like Trump or Cruz go for it.

I don't like them either. I'm not voting for Hilary.

[FeedsOnDevTears]

Nationally? Keep in mind, it matters how the candidates match up against Republicans, not each other, and it matters more who will show up to vote than how many people prefer a particular candidate.

Yesterday: Poll: Sanders has slight edge over Clinton in matchups with GOP opponents
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...able/80452560/

[warzerotwo]

The reason is as simple as they find her more appealing. If you need reasons why Bernie isn't suitable, Google any republican talking about Bernie or think about what being a self identified socialist means in the current political climate. He can claim to be a democratic socialist or add any adjective before socialist, it means nothing to the general public.

If you think Hillary is going to do any better as a candidate rejected by her own base you're going to be in for some serious disappointment.

[PC2]

Sander is ahead of clinton so yeah im hoping he wins the nomination now can he defeat donald trump if he gets the nod i will say it'll be close however if it's someone else besides trump chances are sanders will win by a landslide, now as to who trump should pick for his vp he should really consider someone well exp'd in the field

Sanders wouldn't be viable in the general election, even if he was polling higher than everyone in primaries. His ideas are ment to appeal to angst not reality, every mature adult person and organization would rally against him if he beat Hillary.

[Orbitus]

Really just comes down to who wants to be know as the person crushed by trump.

Neither one of them since both of them beat Trump by 10 points.

[PC2]

Neither one of them since both of them beat Trump by 10 points.

That doesnt mean anything because 99% of the political offensive has been against Hillary, to the benefit of Sanders. The moment he beats Hillary, there would be a massive focus on illuminating his fantasy ideology.

[Orbitus]

That doesnt mean anything because 99% of the political offensive has been against Hillary, to the benefit of Sanders. The moment he beats Hillary, there would be a massive focus on illuminating his fantasy ideology.

Won't happen. Because you are already losing the independent voters with your 2 leading candidates. One is a xenophobic racist flip flopper. The other is a religious nutbag that wants to "carpetbomb ISIS into oblivion", from CANADA lol. Neither of which win against either Sanders or Clinton. Both of them want to take us back to the 50s, the 1850s, with their ideologies.

[Grapemask]

Sanders wouldn't be viable in the general election, even if he was polling higher than everyone in primaries. His ideas are ment to appeal to angst not reality, every mature adult person and organization would rally against him if he beat Hillary.

Regardless of whether or not that's true, his ideas are actually the most solidly verifiable of any candidate's presented thus far.

[Orbitus]

Regardless of whether or not that's true, his ideas are actually the most solidly verifiable of any candidate's presented thus far.

Yep. Pretty much all of the happier countries have done everything that Sanders is proposing and has been proposing for decades.

[Xeones]

Sanders wouldn't be viable in the general election, even if he was polling higher than everyone in primaries. His ideas are ment to appeal to angst not reality, every mature adult person and organization would rally against him if he beat Hillary.

Not even remotely. His ideas aren't new or revolutionary. There is absolutely no basis for your claims that everybody would rally against him when the overwhelming majority of the people in this nation support his platform. Even a fair number of republicans are on board with his ideas.

The issue between Bernie and Hillary is that Bernie says he will fight for what he says and what the people want. Hillary says we should just settle for whatever the bankers say is ok.

[PC2]

Not even remotely. His ideas aren't new or revolutionary. There is absolutely no basis for your claims that everybody would rally against him when the overwhelming majority of the people in this nation support his platform. Even a fair number of republicans are on board with his ideas.

The issue between Bernie and Hillary is that Bernie says he will fight for what he says and what the people want. Hillary says we should just settle for whatever the bankers say is ok.

I said mature adults, I'm sure Bernie has a lot of young people supporting him.

[Xeones]

I said mature adults, I'm sure Bernie has a lot of young people supporting him.

That is simply condescension. You'll be sadly disappointed in life if that is your general attitude.

[PC2]

That is simply condescension. You'll be sadly disappointed in life if that is your general attitude.

If anyone is going to be disappointed in life it will be Bernie fans who haven't learned there is no such thing as a free lunch.

[Milchshake]

My understanding is there was a similar situation in 2008, but when Obama kept winning they decided to side with the voters rather than holding onto her.

If Bernie wins the vote for candidate, but loses because the establishment basically cheats her in the democrats will be in serious trouble for the general election. Those super delegates know this, it's stuff like governors and old politicians, I find these super delegate counts more or less useless.

Like when Ted Kennedy pledged his super delegate vote to Barrack before Super Tuesday. Then Hillary won the Massachusetts primary. Yet Kennedy kept his pledge to Barrack .... and it didn't really matter.

The only difference is a larger number of super delegates pledged earlier in this cycle.

[warzerotwo]

If anyone is going to be disappointed in life it will be Bernie fans who haven't learned there is no such thing as a free lunch.

Bernie Sander's ideas are based on Nordic capitalism policies that've been proven to work. Meanwhile Team Red continues to worship at the feet of Voodoo Economics and are going to end up bringing in another 2008-esque meltdown once they have their way.

[Grimbold21]

If anyone is going to be disappointed in life it will be Bernie fans who haven't learned there is no such thing as a free lunch.

There is a "free" lunch, it's just deducted from your pay via taxation