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    I am Murloc! zephid's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppincaps View Post
    How? I don't see how a bullet is more expensive than a lifetime of food and other necessities. I don't care for the death penalty, but that doesn't make any sense.
    It's not the execution itself, it's the whole process leading up to the execution which is expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    Essentially, cases where the death penalty is available can only be tried by specific lawyers, heard by specific judges, are entitled to something like 3-4 reviews by other judges, take up a ton of court time, and then they still wait 20-30 years while they try to get retrials and stuff.

    It's cheaper to house an inmate in the prison system for 50 years then have them do all that, while housing them for 20.

    And we still manage to execute people who turn out to be innocent. Hooray!
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    Locking unwanted people up until they're no longer deemed a threat seems to be a better solution.

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    Only for repeated sex offenders.

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    In general, I'm against forced sterilizations... and if I'm not mistaken it was declared unconstitutional (at least in the United States) in the past 100 years.

    The only time I can see forced sterilization as an option is with sex offenders, but in pretty much all other cases I do not believe that it would be a good idea. If someone is a violent enough criminal then (in theory) they would be spending the rest of their fertile life in jail anyway, where the chances of them conceiving a child are very slim.
    Trying not to screw things up too badly since 1988.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    there's been studies that say some people are genetically predisposed to violence and violent acts.

    these people usually turn out to be repeat offenders of assaults and other violent crimes. so, not just rape, but assaults as well.
    That was only for violent crimes, not sexual crimes. If you're refering to the one done in Finland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blomster View Post
    That was only for violent crimes, not sexual crimes. If you're refering to the one done in Finland.
    But aren't all sexual crimes violent crimes?
    You're not to think you are anything special. You're not to think you are as good as we are. You're not to think you are smarter than we are. You're not to convince yourself that you are better than we are. You're not to think you know more than we do. You're not to think you are more important than we are. You're not to think you are good at anything. You're not to laugh at us. You're not to think anyone cares about you. You're not to think you can teach us anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrinningMan View Post
    But aren't all sexual crimes violent crimes?
    Violent crime in statistics is robbery, assault and such things. Rape is a sexual crime, sexual harassment is a sexual crime and so forth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrinningMan View Post
    But aren't all sexual crimes violent crimes?
    You realize that indecent exposure is a sexual crime, yes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanyali View Post
    You realize that indecent exposure is a sexual crime, yes?
    I can't help that you strained your eyes looking. That's harm, ergo violent crime.
    You're not to think you are anything special. You're not to think you are as good as we are. You're not to think you are smarter than we are. You're not to convince yourself that you are better than we are. You're not to think you know more than we do. You're not to think you are more important than we are. You're not to think you are good at anything. You're not to laugh at us. You're not to think anyone cares about you. You're not to think you can teach us anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrinningMan View Post
    I can't help that you strained your eyes looking. That's harm, ergo violent crime.
    Maybe if the parts people expected to see weren't sized for an ant..

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    Hmm, I don't overtly support such measures, but I definitely see the societal benefits of doing such a thing, and if not abused, would not oppose them either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudkobing View Post
    Slippery slope.
    There are slippery slopes, and there are slippery slope fallacies.
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    I'm not sure if I'd support it, but there are some instances where I sympathize with the view, like with child molesters.. Pedophiles who have proven they can't/won't control themselves having responsibility of kids seems like a massive failure to protect children.

    Although denying them the right to live/work with or have custody of children would be a better option than forced sterilization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justiceright View Post
    So in our class, we had a debate as for the ethicacy of forcible sterilizations of very serious violent criminals. Some of the arguments were that children born from convicted violent criminals tend to have a much higher risk of becomming a criminal when compared to the general public even when income and education was factored. And the point is if we'd just serialized all serious violent criminals as part of the condition for the possibility of parole, that could dramatically cut down violent crime.

    Do you support the notion that ALL seriously violent crime (Rape, Child molestation, serious assault and battery, etc) should carry a mandatory life sentence, and that the possibility of parole will be added IF the criminal agrees to the sterilization?

    IMO, if you violate the law, you give up your right to reproduce. I personally do not see the right of reproduction as a fundamental human right if you are a violent individual. Society has the obligation to protect the right of life and safety for everyone. You are not just effecting yourself, you are effecting another person: the person being born. But a counter point is that this would be a slippery slope to potential serious human rights violations...

    What are your thoughts on this issue? I'm a bit torn...
    Are you implying the tendency to commit crimes is genetic? you are misinformed if you believe that. the reason why children of criminals have a higher rate of being criminals them selves is because they are raised in the same culture as their criminal parent or parents. the children need to be removed from that criminal culture and if that is done then you will see the rate of crime from children of criminals drop
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    Honest question. What is it going to accomplish? Kinda late to reduce their libido if it's done to an adult and no one is going to approve of this for minors. And it's not going to prevent repeats.

    Just sounds like revenge porn. Also, it'd never be done to a woman. Too much political baggage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revi View Post
    I'm not sure if I'd support it, but there are some instances where I sympathize with the view, like with child molesters.. Pedophiles who have proven they can't/won't control themselves having responsibility of kids seems like a massive failure to protect children.

    Although denying them the right to live/work with or have custody of children would be a better option than forced sterilization.
    Sterilization won't do a thing to stop people.

    Even removing a dick won't stop anyone - you don't need a dick to penetrate, finger, perform oral or force to penetrate. Which is also why it'd be pointless for women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    Are you implying the tendency to commit crimes is genetic? you are misinformed if you believe that. the reason why children of criminals have a higher rate to being criminals them selves is because they are raised in the same culture as their criminal parent or parents. the children need to be removed from that from that criminal culture
    Someone mark the date and time.

    I agree with Vyxn. There is a great disturbance in the forums...
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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    So if the states get together and work with the Legislative Branch to write an amendment to the federal constitution, you think the Judiciary (SCOTUS) could strike it down for being 'unconstitutional'?
    Uh...yes. Absolutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    Are you implying the tendency to commit crimes is genetic? you are misinformed if you believe that. the reason why children of criminals have a higher rate of being criminals them selves is because they are raised in the same culture as their criminal parent or parents. the children need to be removed from that criminal culture and if that is done then you will see the rate of crime from children of criminals drop
    The temperamental traits of sociopathy and psychopathy are genetic.

    Those alone make the offspring of sociopaths and psychopaths have an additional risk of committing crimes of a similar vein if they inherit those traits.

    Of course, there are various other factors involved....
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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    Someone mark the date and time.

    I agree with Vyxn. There is a great disturbance in the forums...
    see I'm not this evil monster many try to paint me as

    but would like to add I wouldn't be against forced birth control as term of a probation till the x-con proves he or she would be a responsible parent and the kids they have would be raised as productive law abiding citizens

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