Is BLM effectively promoting change?

[GreenJesus]

This may seem weird, but gaining support and awareness from people that already support the cause of anti-racism is good, but is the BLM alienating the racist people that actually cause the problems? I don't believe there is an institutionalized system against blacks, there are many laws that protect them. However, the few people that enforce the laws or interact with blacks in society who are racist have caused a huge gap in our communities. The many older white people think they are taking advantage of the situation and abusing the power. For example, not being happy unless a cop gets the death sentence. Whenever a black person is arrested it is because of the white man. The whole Missou thing, blocking the 5 freeway in San Diego. Al sharpton and his ramblings and blaming of white people on every little thing. BLM protestors banning white people from meetings in public areas, calling students privileged a holes for daring to study in a library. Beyoncé, Kanye, Etc.

Now for sure there are big problems, but the reason is change right? How can you achieve real change while excluding the very people you want change from. How about instead of being angry with the white man change the movement to empowerment, advance education of blacks, rehab programs, child daycare etc. instead of frothing at the mouth help solve the very problems the black community deals with. Break the stereotype. All those people protesting could have been volunteering in their community.

In order for change to happen, you need to have respect. Instead of dividing the community, enrich it. Thanks.

[the game]

Do we really need another BLM thread? It's literally going to be the same conversation as every other thread discussing it.

[Oviorasi]

Their movement will go the way of the Occupy movement as people lose interest.

[Barnabas]

Nope and no national campaign will change police. If they stopped the nonsense and, ahem, worked with their local governments and police then police misconduct could be better addressed in cases that it applies.

[RickJamesLich]

The problem is that BLM promotes ignorance and the same kind of bigotry it claims to fight. For example they don't want black people to be treated like criminals, yet they claim there is a major conspiracy and police just run and kill blacks all day. In essence they are creating the fear mongering and paranoia. Not only that, but they tend to side with criminals in cases where cops have to use their weapon in self defense, regardless of what evidence actually comes in to play.

Much like a broken clock, they have been right a few times (like the Walter Scott case) but more often then not they resort to smear campaigns, encourage violence, and in some cases commit violence against people that have nothing do with their cause.

I will agree that changes have to be made on a cultural level, but the reality is that the crime ridden areas that BLM goes to because of the police brutality claims, those areas really do need a strong police presence. We've already seen in places like Baltimore and Chicago, where they've encouraged getting rid of cops and neutering the police force, that violence and along with that, deaths, have increased. In a weird stroke of irony BLM's actions have lead to higher death rates for blacks in many cities, just this time it's not done by cops (speaking of which, it's already very rare for a black person to get killed by a cop).

Essentially though there have to be compromises made on both sides of the fence, police have to go to great lengths to avoid lethal force unless it's necessary, and blacks need to start cooperating with the police and chipping in to help deter crime - and the police presence needs to be *increased*, not decreased.

[xChurch]

The only change that will really work comes at the ballot box, if they don't vote, nothing will change. Why pander to people who's vote you'll never get anyway? Voting is the single best way to facilitate any change but their goals seem too mercurial to really produce solid results.

[Acidbaron]

Nope and no national campaign will change police. If they stopped the nonsense and, ahem, worked with their local governments and police then police misconduct could be better addressed.

Don't you have like committee's that you as a citizen can go complain to if there has been misconduct from your police force? A committee that also functions completely independent from said police force.

For example we have this in belgium, http://www.comitep.be/EN/index.asp (its in english)

[Barnabas]

The problem is that BLM promotes ignorance and the same kind of bigotry it claims to fight. For example they don't want black people to be treated like criminals, yet they claim there is a major conspiracy and police just run and kill blacks all day. In essence they are creating the fear mongering and paranoia. Not only that, but they tend to side with criminals in cases where cops have to use their weapon in self defense, regardless of what evidence actually comes in to play.

Much like a broken clock, they have been right a few times (like the Walter Scott case) but more often then not they resort to smear campaigns, encourage violence, and in some cases commit violence against people that have nothing do with their cause.

I will agree that changes have to be made on a cultural level, but the reality is that the crime ridden areas that BLM goes to because of the police brutality claims, those areas really do need a strong police presence. We've already seen in places like Baltimore and Chicago, where they've encouraged getting rid of cops and neutering the police force, that violence and along with that, deaths, have increased. In a weird stroke of irony BLM's actions have lead to higher death rates for blacks in many cities, just this time it's not done by cops (speaking of which, it's already very rare for a black person to get killed by a cop).

Essentially though there have to be compromises made on both sides of the fence, police have to go to great lengths to avoid lethal force unless it's necessary, and blacks need to start cooperating with the police and chipping in to help deter crime - and the police presence needs to be *increased*, not decreased.

They need better community action and the residents should work with the police to rid themselves of the plague caused by allowing gangs to run rampant in their communities. Once the crime is under control, for the most part, then the police stop profiling you.

[PC2]

BLM has been around 3 years, we would need to poll black people to ask them if the issue has gotten better or worse during this time frame.

One thing we could do to help is setup mass surveillance in black communities to keep them safe from cops.

[Zantos]

Nope. It was founded on a stupid misconception to begin with and has since snowballed into idiots and violent thugs using it as an excuse to act up and cause trouble.

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One thing we could do to help is setup mass surveillance in black communities to keep them safe from cops.

If anything, they need to be kept safe from themselves more then cops.

[Cerilis]

Their movement will go the way of the Occupy movement as people lose interest.

Occupy? Wth is Occupy?

[PC2]

The only change that will really work comes at the ballot box, if they don't vote, nothing will change. Why pander to people who's vote you'll never get anyway? Voting is the single best way to facilitate any change but their goals seem too mercurial to really produce solid results.

I'm pretty sure black people favor Hillary and she is leading overall I think.

[lockedout]

It's just a hate group, nothing new.

[purebalance]

Nope. It was founded on a stupid misconception to begin with and has since snowballed into idiots and violent thugs using it as an excuse to act up and cause trouble.

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If anything, they need to be kept safe from themselves more then cops.

This. I hate that stupid dinner with dad analogy as to why they claim they have black lives matter not all lives matter much less blacks kill each other more than cops so they should be fixing that first.

[Dug]

Idk people on these forums talk about it every fucking day and compare it to every single issue imaginable so I'd say its effective in that regard. People are talking, discussions are being had and lines are being drawn. I'd rather live in this world than to settle for "meh shit happens!"

[PC2]

Occupy? Wth is Occupy?

Occupy equinsu ocha

[Oviorasi]

Occupy? Wth is Occupy?

Exactly.

But to answer your question, the "Occupy This" and "Occupy That" movements of a 4 or 5 years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movement

[Adarian]

yeah, they've done alot to bring back the klan.

[Vyxn]

Their movement will go the way of the Occupy movement as people lose interest.

not because people lost interest because of people realizing how absurd they were how their demands were ridicules

[Rooflesstoofless]

If they aren't doing more for black vs black crime than they are for the illusion of cops vs blacks crime then they are really just spinning their wheels.