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    Why Women Proposing is Still Rare

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/fa...year.html?_r=0

    When uttered by a man, the words “will you marry me” serve to signal a tradition that is both widely accepted and ages old. Having the same spoken by a woman however — except in a leap year like 2016, when an old Irish tradition of having the woman ask is known to emerge — are still surprisingly rare.
    On the face of it, giving a woman an occasion to ask a man to wed would seem an empowering moment. But not everyone sees it that way. “The leap year tradition looked like it was giving women opportunities but in reality, it kept them in their place,” said Katherine Parkin, an associate professor of history at Monmouth University in New Jersey. “Back then women who asked men to marry were portrayed as ugly, mannish, crass or desperate.”

    If the woman asks, she may resent that decision years later, Ms. Velazquez said. “If she jumps the gun, five years down the line that action might backfire. She might say to her husband: ‘Why didn’t you ask me? I don’t have the great story to tell people about how you proposed.’”

    And what better way to tell that story than on social media. Despite our share-all mentality, in which one click equals global announcement, people still care about how they’re seen by others.

    “Women don’t want to be seen as less feminine, or too sexual or coming on too strong. And there’s a concern for men about being publicly emasculated,” said Beth Montemurro, a professor of sociology at Penn State University.

    “When you look at how public social media makes things, it could be holding people back,” Professor Montemurro said. “They may be afraid to take bigger risks and break gender roles because they’re concerned with how their story will come across.”

    Specialists also surmise that women aren’t more forthcoming because they lack encouraging illustrations.

    “We don’t have many positive examples” of women who have proposed, Professor Parkin said. “Those that have asked men have not been successful in our eyes. Pink and Britney Spears asked their men to marry, and those marriages either ended poorly or didn’t do well in the beginning,” she said, (although Pink reunited with her husband and they are still married).
    Interesting stuff. Do you plan to propose when you get married or let your man/woman do it?

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    I'm fairly sure my species is unisex, so we don't have the concept of marriage. Not too sure though, the anatomy of Mudcrabs has never really been explored.
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    There is no point to being married if you're a man.
    You're getting exactly what you deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Daquan Biggums View Post
    There is no point to being married if you're a man.
    Just about every successful man would disagree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennisace View Post
    Just about every successful man would disagree
    You speak for no one.
    You're getting exactly what you deserve.

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    Women can't even ask a man out for coffee let alone marriage.

    Get good ladies its [current year].
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Daquan Biggums View Post
    You speak for no one.
    How many world leaders are not married? Go ahead, I'll wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennisace View Post
    How many world leaders are not married? Go ahead, I'll wait.
    Literally all of them.
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    I'm calling it, Republicans will hold congress in 2018 and Trump will win again in 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennisace View Post
    How many world leaders are not married? Go ahead, I'll wait.
    How many world leaders have some tail on the side and the marriage is just for show?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennisace View Post
    Just about every successful man would disagree
    Tyrone isn't incorrect. Marriage is an institution that generally favours women over men, however that's due to the court system generally favouring women over men in cases relating to child custody, child support, etc., as well as men stereotypically being the breadwinners of the household.

    However, you seem to be trying to establish causation from correlation. The reason that successful men marry isn't why they are successful. In fact, marriage comes with a number of unnecessary risks for the more wealthy party. They're married because they want to be, and there really isn't anything else to discuss about it.
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    My g/f and I have been together going on 8 years. We are not married. We are very happy together.

    If she asked me to marry her, I would, and I would not think anything about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennisace View Post
    How many world leaders are not married? Go ahead, I'll wait.
    From the top of my head Vladimir Putin, Francois Hollande but you don't want to use politicians since their wives are literally no more than a way to get more votes.

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    I would prefer to propose.

    Why does everything have to be "empowering?"

    If you feel "empowered" by asking a question, then you need to take a closer look at your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    Literally all of them.
    Literally?
    Justin Trudeau
    Barack Obama

    They married or not?

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    i'm not sure yet. i'm not a very forthcoming person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magical Mudcrab View Post
    Tyrone isn't incorrect. Marriage is an institution that generally favours women over men, however that's due to the court system generally favouring women over men in cases relating to child custody, child support, etc., as well as men stereotypically being the breadwinners of the household.

    However, you seem to be trying to establish causation from correlation. The reason that successful men marry isn't why they are successful. In fact, marriage comes with a number of unnecessary risks for the more wealthy party. They're married because they want to be, and there really isn't anything else to discuss about it.
    As far as married men and being successful, I think the cause and effect are switched compared to what many think.

    Many make the accusation that he is successful because he is married when, if you really look at it, it ends up being more likely many times that he is married because he is successful.

    If you notice, woman are drawn the men who are able to provide and have power, it sucks but it is true. A successful asshole who will treat them like trash many times has a much better chance than a poor gentleman who will treat them like a queen all due to the wealth and power his success brings. Now the gentleman might have a slightly improved chance of keeping the girl (Depending on the girls maturity level otherwise she will still go after being treated like trash) but the rich man will have a better chance of getting the girl to being with. Which means when you have a successful man, especially successful enough to get noticed for it, he ends up being perceived as MUCH more attractive to women whom try much harder to be with him and work things out and hopefully get married. The unsuccessful ones, not so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennisace View Post
    Literally?
    Justin Trudeau
    Barack Obama

    They married or not?
    Not married.
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    People are too self-conscious and afraid of what others think, colour me shocked. If you want to do it, do it, your sex should be irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phitness View Post
    How many world leaders have some tail on the side and the marriage is just for show?
    You have some proof to back up this assertion?

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    Man, these Tennisace shitposts are getting worse and worse as time goes on.

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