[BEAST MASTERY]Legion Alpha Discussion

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I really disagree. Yes BM did lose a few things but, I find it more complicated and more fun now than ever. I'm also finding it to be pretty strong. My iLvl is only 690 and the Hunter has 4pc LFR gear but I tried out LFR and was in the top 8 for damage on every boss. I went to the target dummy in my Garrison and tested BM against MM. I did 20% more damage as BM and that's with Chimaera Shot, Stampede, and Murder of Crows talented. MM had Barrage, L&L, and Lone Wolf. I have always played with a shot macro that included Kill Command, Arcane, and Cobra Shot. Now, because the spec has become much more dependent on cooldowns. I can only macro Kill Command and Chimaera Shot together and have Cobra on a separate key. For me, BM is more involved now than ever. MM seems simpler.

BM is far from boring. I notice very little downtime and I pretty much spam Cobra in between Kill Commands and Chimaera Shots. I really don't even watch the focus bar. I also do not have Dire Stable because I think you miss too much fun without it. My Haste is also only about 10% with Mastery in the 60's. All of my gems and enchants are still Mastery. I also use Murder of Crows and Stampede. They are both very strong.

To me, fun is doing respectable damage, without having to push too many buttons or manage too many cooldowns. Now, I have slightly fewer buttons, (but not really with Aspect of the Wild added in) and a lot more cooldowns that change constantly. Like I said, I find it a lot more involved than it has ever been.

Well, that is an achievement!
Anyway opinion is like an ass, everyone has it.

[Deleted]

Please don't compare DPS on dummies... Also, anybody saying BM has 'more' depth than whatever else has not understood anything about what he's comparing it to.

[Dch48]

Please don't compare DPS on dummies... Also, anybody saying BM has 'more' depth than whatever else has not understood anything about what he's comparing it to.

Who and what are you referring to? My statement that I disagreed meant that I disagreed with the general tone of the thread saying that BM has become boring. Not with any particular person.

[Sencha]

I really disagree. Yes BM did lose a few things but, I find it more complicated and more fun now than ever. I'm also finding it to be pretty strong. My iLvl is only 690 and the Hunter has 4pc LFR gear but I tried out LFR and was in the top 8 for damage on every boss. I went to the target dummy in my Garrison and tested BM against MM. I did 20% more damage as BM and that's with Chimaera Shot, Stampede, and Murder of Crows talented. MM had Barrage, L&L, and Lone Wolf. I have always played with a shot macro that included Kill Command, Arcane, and Cobra Shot. Now, because the spec has become much more dependent on cooldowns. I can only macro Kill Command and Chimaera Shot together and have Cobra on a separate key. For me, BM is more involved now than ever. MM seems simpler.

BM is far from boring. I notice very little downtime and I pretty much spam Cobra in between Kill Commands and Chimaera Shots. I really don't even watch the focus bar. I also do not have Dire Stable because I think you miss too much fun without it. My Haste is also only about 10% with Mastery in the 60's. All of my gems and enchants are still Mastery. I also use Murder of Crows and Stampede. They are both very strong.

To me, fun is doing respectable damage, without having to push too many buttons or manage too many cooldowns. Now, I have slightly fewer buttons, (but not really with Aspect of the Wild added in) and a lot more cooldowns that change constantly. Like I said, I find it a lot more involved than it has ever been.

I think you are the perfect example of the targeted audience of the BM spec in Legion.

If you're happy with it, that's a good thing... I suppose.

[Deleted]

I really disagree. Yes BM did lose a few things but, I find it more complicated and more fun now than ever. I'm also finding it to be pretty strong. My iLvl is only 690 and the Hunter has 4pc LFR gear but I tried out LFR and was in the top 8 for damage on every boss. I went to the target dummy in my Garrison and tested BM against MM. I did 20% more damage as BM and that's with Chimaera Shot, Stampede, and Murder of Crows talented. MM had Barrage, L&L, and Lone Wolf. I have always played with a shot macro that included Kill Command, Arcane, and Cobra Shot. Now, because the spec has become much more dependent on cooldowns. I can only macro Kill Command and Chimaera Shot together and have Cobra on a separate key. For me, BM is more involved now than ever. MM seems simpler.

BM is far from boring. I notice very little downtime and I pretty much spam Cobra in between Kill Commands and Chimaera Shots. I really don't even watch the focus bar. I also do not have Dire Stable because I think you miss too much fun without it. My Haste is also only about 10% with Mastery in the 60's. All of my gems and enchants are still Mastery. I also use Murder of Crows and Stampede. They are both very strong.

To me, fun is doing respectable damage, without having to push too many buttons or manage too many cooldowns. Now, I have slightly fewer buttons, (but not really with Aspect of the Wild added in) and a lot more cooldowns that change constantly. Like I said, I find it a lot more involved than it has ever been.

Take this post as criticism to help you get into a more optimal mindset for PvE. These things stuck out:
DPS in LFR should not be a measure of anything, since half the people are semi afk anyway!
How can it be more involved when you dont even watch the focus bar?
Why do you macro abilities together which should not be?
The training dummy is never a good way to measure much of anything serious!
(Also, I hope you did not play with Big Game Hunter on a dummy!)

[Bullettime]

It's sad playing the spec with two buttons and getting close to optimal results. The talents really need to be looked at to add some sort of optional complexity or gameplay depth. This is almost Steady Shot scroll wheel level of bad.

[Deleted]

Tried out my beasthunter, must say I'm not impressed. The specc feels, bad. Really bad. The pet dies extremly easy and to absolutely everything. Without the misdirection glyph it can't keep aggro for shit. After Elemental and Brewmaster, this specc feels the worst out of all my characters by a large margin.

[Freerunz]

I think you are the perfect example of the targeted audience of the BM spec in Legion.

If you're happy with it, that's a good thing... I suppose.

And this is so fun to read this bullshit

[Deleted]

Not fun, he's right.

[DeiVias]

Im on beta. I think BM is very fun to play, easy but fun. Especially in mythic dungeons.

Pretty much how i feel, don't think i could raid with it every night but for Mythic+ it's fun since it's a giant AOE fest and BM is the best 5 man DPS spec in the game for that right now on beta.

[Firebyrd]

And this is so fun to read this bullshit

It's not bullshit when someone who plays the game at the level as the previously quoted poster does thinks BM is fine and fun as it is now. Something that he doesn't have to pay attention to anything, that he just smashes buttons and is able to to be in the top 50% of dps in LFR. I.e., someone who doesn't raid, doesn't know how to play, and I'm rather surprised realizes something like MMO-C exists.

It seems that Blizz was shooting for making the lowest common denominator happy and that they succeeded, which rather leaves those of us who actually like some nuance out in the cold.

[Kwaai]

And this is so fun to read this bullshit

I don't know if bullshit is the right word. I'm glad a spec exists that can do reasonably well without much thought. I think it's a healthy part of game design that there are specs with varying difficulty. There are millions of players who don't really care about being as perfect as possible, and #NoobPlayersMatter. I just wish that the talent system would make it optional.

It was a fun post though.

[BendakWoW]

Just a heads up about the Stomp talent: It doesn't work reliably at max range. You need to be less than 30 yards for it to be totally reliable.

What it seems like is happening is that the Stomp happens at a fixed time after you cast Dire Beast (rather than when it reaches the target). At max range that timer is simply too tight and the Stomp happens before it gets there (mid charge). If Blizz added a small delay to this (0.5-1 sec) it would probably fix it.

[Nakauri]

Just a heads up about the Stomp talent: It doesn't work reliably at max range. You need to be less than 30 yards for it to be totally reliable.

What it seems like is happening is that the Stomp happens at a fixed time after you cast Dire Beast (rather than when it reaches the target). At max range that timer is simply too tight and the Stomp happens before it gets there (mid charge). If Blizz added a small delay to this (0.5-1 sec) it would probably fix it.

Submit a bug report and ask this to be tied to the first Dire Beast melee swing.

[BendakWoW]

Submit a bug report and ask this to be tied to the first Dire Beast melee swing.

I did, but I'll add the part about it happening on first swing as that's way better than just making the delay longer.

[I Push Buttons]

I am curious how BM will place compared to the other two specs/all DPS in general.

Kind of want BM to be my lazy spec, like Assassination was for me throughout WoD. Just an alt I can casually raid on without putting any thought or effort into it.

[Deleted]

Please don't compare DPS on dummies... Also, anybody saying BM has 'more' depth than whatever else has not understood anything about what he's comparing it to.

Yep dps on dummies is aoe. And sidewinders hits every dummy in range, same with barrage, whereas chim shot and stomp does not.

Very logical you gonna do more as mm on dummies than bm.

[Deleted]

haha, didnt know that wow was still about this pseudo elitism.

Come on guys, do we really have to argue which spec is the "most" braindead spec to play? Its not like you need 150 apm for any spec in the game. If you aren't 40 year old and never touched any fast paced PC game at all, you cannot possibly fail at any wow spec in legion. Try hards will play whatever deals the most DPS regardless and in current legion sims, thats BM.

MM might need 10 apm more to play to his full potential than BM, but that doesn't mean its significant harder to play or master.. Both of them are easy and players know it.

[Freerunz]

Try hards will play whatever deals the most DPS regardless and in current legion sims, thats BM.

Pls, show me this magical "legion sims". And what should we expect from this info?

[Deleted]

Pls, show me this magical "legion sims". And what should we expect from this info?

check hunterslodge or even effin or watch top guild streamers from method or serenity, everone saying Bm is "best. Whatever the case, you missed point. If MM still turns out to be better, everyone will play MM. shrug.