Is the community of this forum changing for bad or am I just getting old?

[Deleted]

the moderators has made these forums a liberal echo chamber from which any different point of view has to walk on egg shells. have to be concerned with every word they use because of any criticism of the chosen point of view is overly scrutinized looking for any excuse to infract the participant. as they allow their irk get away with about everything so there is no honest discussion no intelligent debates when one side of the political spectrum is forced to fight with one hand tied behind his back as the other side is allowed to use guns and knives

Really, it's just one mod. Most are quite objective.

[PC2]

Lol it's a generational thing, boomers were more conservative even when they were young. Don't suddenly expect the very liberal youths to suddenly take a swing to the left, we've seen as the early millenials grow into their 20's and 30's they're retaining their political beliefs.

And when the children of Millennial's rise to power they will undermine some values that Millenial's thought were progress, but were really just a form of zeitgeist.

[Independent voter]

Alternatively, it doesn't matter if your arguments are good when they're being posted in a howling void of stupidity.

Well, that sums up the left's position with laser like clarity, the masses don't agree with us therefore they are stupid.

[Cthulhu 2020]

You're missing the point entirely, but okay, just rest your mind on rules.

Not sure what the point was. People asked why should they get infracted for promoting violence, when it's a rule. Mods used to be much stricter on rules than they are now, mostly because of the "leftist bias!" whining that happened for awhile (and still does). A fight between two people breaks out for many pages, they both get infracted, the right winger cries left wing bias.

These days really controversial topics are just left alone by mods, and you can even notice that they don't even take part in the discussion, more than likely because the administration tells them not to, because any infractions handed out even for blatant rule breaking is viewed by some of the forum goers as biased. So rule breaking has just become a thing in those threads, except for egregious cases.

[Seramore]

I've been on this forum since 2009 and I believe that it has been changing for the worse. With WoW declining and people being unhappy with the game, as well as the increase of some very outlandish posts in the off-topic sections of this forum over the past few years, I'd say the quality of this forum has decreased. There have always been shit posts on this forum since I joined (and I would imagine since before I joined as well), but the amount of these posts have greatly increased recently.

[Wells]

Well, that sums up the left's position with laser like clarity, the masses don't agree with us therefore they are stupid.

You're really reading what you want to out of that. Quality of discourse used to be better here because shit posting got hit harder by mods. When that changed it drove away a lot of the better posters who didn't want to deal with the new Shitty Normal. That happened in this case to mean a lot fewer liberals.

I mean I remember the first couple election cycles when I got here. The quality of discourse was miles ahead of what it is now.

[Saucexorzski]

Alternatively, it doesn't matter if your arguments are good when they're being posted in a howling void of stupidity.

Wells, calling those who disagree with you stupid is rude. That very rudeness will in turn cause others to treat you in similar mannor.

[PC2]

You're really reading what you want to out of that. Quality of discourse used to be better here because shit posting got hit harder by mods. When that changed it drove away a lot of the better posters who didn't want to deal with the new Shitty Normal. That happened in this case to mean a lot fewer liberals.

I mean I remember the first couple election cycles when I got here. The quality of discourse was miles ahead of what it is now.

People have recognized the regressive left along with the regressive right. Two sides of the same coin. You lost the benefit of the doubt that the left was an automatic high-ground, now you blame substantial disagreement on a "howling void of stupidity".

[Cthulhu 2020]

Well, that sums up the left's position with laser like clarity, the masses don't agree with us therefore they are stupid.

When we have definitive proof that immigrants aren't really border hopping any more, post graphs and data, and someone calls it a government conspiracy, not really sure what else to call it. I realize that people have a hard time giving up on ideas that they've become so passionate about though, even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

[Alydael]

I would say the migrant crisis has had the biggest effect on turning people away from the left. When people can't even support the sovereign state borders they were born into without being called a Nazi fascist xenophobe bigot, there isn't much of a debate to be had there.

That is what happens with the left, their policies sound all good and nice when you discuss them- but when you carry them through....... Just look at Obama/Hillary's "Arab Spring."

One of Obama's goals was to extend an olive branch to the Mid East. It sounds all nice and good in theory, we are nice people? Right? Let's all be friends- surely we can come to a common understanding..... sure sounds great, but what did we get? The whole region is destabilized, a long, devastating civil war in Syria,our Embassy was attacked and our ambassador killed, a new cold war with Russia and the rise of Isis....

How is that "olive branch" working out? The best part is that Hillary was a major part of that policy and she is not being held accountable at all for her part in it.

[Cthulhu 2020]

You're really reading what you want to out of that. Quality of discourse used to be better here because shit posting got hit harder by mods. When that changed it drove away a lot of the better posters who didn't want to deal with the new Shitty Normal. That happened in this case to mean a lot fewer liberals.

I mean I remember the first couple election cycles when I got here. The quality of discourse was miles ahead of what it is now.

Conspiracy posting used to be pretty well taken care of, now it's all but ignored.

We had that one thread from a pretty regular shitposter doing a faux support of the government stealing all the money of the rich and handing it out the poor to make fun of socialism. It went on for 20+ pages, never got locked, was filled with memes, spam and idiocy.

People whine about this being a hive of liberal SJW's that will swarm you the minute you say anything bad, but really now, you look at any thread about that topic and it's a bunch of regressive righties swarming you for daring to challenge their ridiculously bias and aggressive view towards anyone who doesn't see gay marriage as an abomination or likewise.

[Wells]

Wells, calling those who disagree with you stupid is rude. That very rudeness will in turn cause others to treat you in similar mannor.

Still not what I said, but it illustrates the point I suppose.

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It's like you guys are lining up to prove his point. He never said anything about disagreement.

Used to have all kinds of really good conservative posters. Diurdi, Laize etc etc

[Cthulhu 2020]

Used to have all kinds of really good conservative posters. Diurdi, Laize etc etc

Yeah I miss the intelligent discourse that used to go on. Now it's all shit posting about illegal immigrants, SJW's, feminists, socialism, etc.

[Saucexorzski]

It's like you guys are lining up to prove his point. He never said anything about disagreement.

He made the statement. If he chose poor word choice to express himself, that is on him.

[Cthulhu 2020]

He made the statement. If he chose poor word choice to express himself, that is on him.

As said, proving the point about shit posting.

[Saucexorzski]

As said, proving the point about shit posting.

And this is an example of why it continues. I'm shit posting when explaining that folks felt what wells said was rude. But hell I can be your bad guy Mr bats.

[Shadowmelded]

Yeah it's gotten pretty bad. Way worse than what it was when I first joined.

[Vanyali]

To be frank - and a lot of people have talked about this over the recent year(s?) - part of the issue is that we have several blatant "Letter of the law"-following trolls who seem to spend inordinate amounts of time shitposting thread after thread, and the moderation policy is such that you can't even talk about it, even though we all fucking know what's going on.

You don't want to hurt their feelings by talking about it, do you?!

[Mehrunes]

You don't want to hurt their feelings by talking about it, do you?!

Maybe the idea behind that rule is "if you ignore it long enough, it will go away"?

[Vanyali]

Maybe the idea behind that rule is "if you ignore it long enough, it will go away"?

Well, we have the same thing on another forum i'm on.. i think it's more "if you start calling people out, then you just fight about calling each other names instead".