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    The DNC Is About To Coronate Donald Trump

    Donald Trump is going to be the next president of the United States, and he will have the Democratic National Committee to thank for it. Much has been made of the "math" of the Democratic nomination, and how it favors Hillary Clinton -- in large part due to her huge lead in unpledged "superdelegates."

    But for a moment, let's set aside the math of the Democratic primary, and look at the big picture: What matters for the general election is who can win swing states and ensure high voter turnout and enthusiasm in solidly blue states. In this regard, Bernie Sanders is clearly the more electable candidate.

    Swing States, Blue States

    The 10 closest races in 2012 were in Nevada, Colorado, Minnesota, Iowa, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Florida, Ohio, Virginia and North Carolina. Six of these have voted so far in primary contests. Of these, Sanders won three by a landslide (New Hampshire, Colorado, Minnesota) and virtually tied in two others (narrowly losing Nevada and Iowa). The only swing-state that Hillary Clinton decisively won so far is Virginia, which actually broke from Mitt Romney in 2012. In short, Bernie Sanders has a decisive edge in swing states.

    As for solidly-blue states, only four have voted so far, but the outcome is clear: Bernie Sanders decisively won Vermont and Maine, pulled a huge upset in Michigan, and virtually tied Hillary Clinton in Massachusetts. Clinton has not decisively won even one single solidly-blue state. Instead, virtually all of her pledged delegate lead comes from handily winning in solidly red states which she (or any Democrat) would be highly-unlikely to win in a general election. But even this lead would likely be erased as the contest heads to bluer states.

    Hillary Clinton's main advantage with regards to winning the nomination is not public sentiment, but instead, due to unelected superdelegates whose purpose, according to DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, is to suppress grassroots candidates in favor of the establishment choice. And it looks like they will have their way: As a result of the superdelegates voting almost unanimously for Hillary Clinton, often in clear defiance of the popular will of their states, the math does indeed look bleak for Bernie Sanders to win the Democratic nomination. Barring a major grassroots revolt, Hillary Clinton will seize the nomination. And she will lose to Donald Trump.

    Polling Doesn't Matter

    I know, here people are going to say "Look at the polls! They show Hillary winning against Trump!" But there are three big issues here:

    First, polling more than six months prior to a race is not terribly predictive in general.

    Second, Trump has consistently confounded polls and projections that predicted he could never win (ditto for Sanders, for that matter). Ceteris paribus, there is no reason to believe these dynamics would fundamentally change in the general election: Trump has been antifragile -- rising ever-higher despite (in many respects because of) scandals and gaffes that would have ruined most campaigns. The ridiculous amounts of money being spent on negative ads against him in critical states seem to be totally wasted.

    Third, there are currently six candidates in the race, and the hope that another candidate may ultimately win the nomination affects how people perceive theoretical head-to-head matchups. When the only possible candidates are Trump v. Clinton, the public is going to break towards Trump.

    Here's why:

    Delegate Map, Clinton v. Trump

    Again, what matters in a general election is who wins swing states and who turns out their base. So let's see how things look in a head-to-head between Clinton and Trump:

    Remember the five out of six swing states that Hillary either decisively lost or tied in? Four of these have voted on the Republican side, and Trump handily won half of them (New Hampshire, Nevada). Remember the only swing state that Clinton decisively won (Virginia)? Trump carried that one was well -- and again, it broke for Romney in 2012. Remember how Hillary has won primarily in solidly-red states in the south during the Democratic primary? Guess who carried all of these rather decisively on the Republican side, and often with record turnout? That's right, Donald Trump.

    That is, Trump is likely to decisively beat Clinton in virtually all of the states that she has performed strongly in so far, and seems poised to win many of the states she lost as well. This leaves her relying heavily on the solidly blue states, which overwhelmingly voted against her in the primaries, suggesting that enthusiasm will not be high with her base. Forget national polling. When one takes a sober look at the electoral map -- at who can turn out their base in solidly partisan states and appeal in swing states, based on how the primaries have turned out thus far, the edge is cleanly with Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton.

    But it gets worse:

    Trump has a large and passionate base. And while many Republicans are not comfortable with Trump, they passionately hate Hillary Clinton -- and faced with such a stark choice, most would vote for Trump if only to deny Clinton the White House. Reports of Republican elites who say they'd vote for Hillary over Trump are more-or-less meaningless in terms of indicating how most voters will perform: the entire Trump phenomena is a testament to how far out of touch these party elites are with their voting base. Make no mistake: Republicans will rally around Trump (or against Clinton), and they will turn out in large numbers to do so.

    The same cannot be said on the other side:

    A large number of Democrats cannot bring themselves to vote for Hillary Clinton under any circumstances -- and while many of these are unlikely to vote for Trump, they may well stay home on Election Day. This scenario would itself be damning for Clinton's candidacy: Democrats rely heavily on uncharacteristically-large left-leaning turnout in presidential election years to win national races. Absent this, they stand no chance--particularly in light of the advantage Trump already seems to have in swing states and with his base.

    But the reality of the matter is that many Sanders supporters will not only abstain, they will actually vote for Trump if Hillary wins the nomination. For some, it would be a vote to punish the DNC for its anti-Democratic coronation of Clinton (via the superdelegates). For others, it'd be a nihilistic act: an attempt to burn down the establishment, or to give America "the candidate it deserves."

    But from exit polling we know that many others, particularly in swing states with open primaries, were legitimately torn between Sanders and Trump as the best candidate to direct their anti-establishment sentiment. And if Sanders loses the Democratic nomination, those who voted for him for this reason would not turn around and vote for someone like Hillary Clinton in a general election -- they would vote for Trump. And to top it all off, there are a number of other Democrats who staunchly support the Donald over all the other candidates regardless--in fact, they are an important component of his support base.

    All of this bodes ill for Hillary Clinton in a general election.

    Why Clinton Can't Win

    Sanders is dominating the blue states and swing states. Trump is dominating the red states and swing states. The takeaway should be clear: The American people in general, and particularly the states that will decide this election, do not want an establishment candidate. A Trump v. Clinton race could play out much like Ronald Reagan v. Bush Sr., Carter and Mondale: races where people with the "right"
    resumes failed to connect with the public -- losing handily to a contender who seemed far less qualified or competent, and perhaps even dangerous, but who really "gets" the times we're living in and what people are looking for in this moment.

    Bernie Sanders can beat Donald Trump, possibly taking the House and Senate with him. Hillary Clinton can do none of these things. Polls be damned: if Hillary Clinton wins the Democratic nomination, Donald Trump will win the presidency. Count on it.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/musa-a..._9462374.html?
    So there you have it even the liberal Huffington Post is coming to the realization that Trump will be our next president

    The DNC screwed up big time crowning Clinton to be their next presidential nominee even before the campaigning began. they coroneted a very damaged candidate and they are going to pay the ultimate price for doing so, and this isn't even taking into account the likely possibility of an indictment being handed down during the campaign

    And everyone says Republicans are in a mess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    So there you have it even the liberal Huffington Post is coming to the realization that Trump will be our next president

    The DNC screwed up big time crowning Clinton to be their next presidential nominee even before the campaigning began. they coroneted a very damaged candidate and they are going to pay the ultimate price for doing so, and this isn't even taking into account the likely possibility of an indictment being handed down during the campaign

    And everyone says Republicans are in a mess
    Both parties are in a mess.

    if Trump wins the GOP needs to likely reform itself.

    If Trump wins the DNC needs to likely reform itself.

    Both need to change, but for different reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckSparkles View Post
    Both parties are in a mess.

    if Trump wins the GOP needs to likely reform itself.

    If Trump wins the DNC needs to likely reform itself.

    Both need to change, but for different reasons.
    even by some miracle Sanders gets the nomination Democrats will lose Sanders radical communist or at least his communist sympathizing past will be exposed. Sanders has yet to be vetted
    very few know anything about his past. his past of living in a communist community in Israel, his past of not holding down any steady job till he was in his forties, his past of hanging the Russian communist flag up in his office when he was a mayor, his past of calling for the nationalization of the banking system and public utility companies, his past of visting and giving support to American hating communist revolutionaries in central America
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    So there you have it even the liberal Huffington Post is coming to the realization that Trump will be our next president

    The DNC screwed up big time crowning Clinton to be their next presidential nominee even before the campaigning began. they coroneted a very damaged candidate and they are going to pay the ultimate price for doing so, and this isn't even taking into account the likely possibility of an indictment being handed down during the campaign

    And everyone says Republicans are in a mess
    I am impressed you posted an article from a Black. Muslim. Sociologist. There is hope for you yet.
    What are we gonna do now? Taking off his turban, they said, is this man a Jew?
    'Cause they're working for the clampdown
    They put up a poster saying we earn more than you!
    When we're working for the clampdown
    We will teach our twisted speech To the young believers
    We will train our blue-eyed men To be young believers

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    Trump lost Minnesota and Iowa. We'll see how Ohio goes today. I think Hillary will do well in Nevada and Colorado versus Trump. The election could come down to Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pangean View Post
    I am impressed you posted an article from a Black. Muslim. Sociologist. There is hope for you yet.
    So because it came from a black muslim sociologist, you take it more seriously???

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckSparkles View Post
    So because it came from a black muslim sociologist, you take it more seriously???
    Slap on some Neil "Smoke De Grass" Tyson and we got a spicy meme

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckSparkles View Post
    So because it came from a black muslim sociologist, you take it more seriously???
    Nope.
    /10 char
    What are we gonna do now? Taking off his turban, they said, is this man a Jew?
    'Cause they're working for the clampdown
    They put up a poster saying we earn more than you!
    When we're working for the clampdown
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    You're such a little baby, grow up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    So there you have it even the liberal Huffington Post is coming to the realization that Trump will be our next president

    The DNC screwed up big time crowning Clinton to be their next presidential nominee even before the campaigning began. they coroneted a very damaged candidate and they are going to pay the ultimate price for doing so, and this isn't even taking into account the likely possibility of an indictment being handed down during the campaign

    And everyone says Republicans are in a mess

    Debbie needs to go, she is a corporate dino and have suggested so much shit that you could only expect a republican to introduce, Thats why democrats are failing, folks arent going to the polls to vote for dino's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pangean View Post
    I am impressed you posted an article from a Black. Muslim. Sociologist. There is hope for you yet.
    No I did so so you cant go to your favorite rebuttal of Fox News Lies
    I have learned from the years of posting on MMOC that you best not post anything other then from liberal sites other wise you will have three pages of trashing of the source and nothing on the topic being presented to be discussed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    even by some miracle Sanders get the nomination Democrats will lose Sanders radical communist or at least his communist sympathizing past will be exposed. Sanders has yet to be vetted
    very few know anything about his past. his past of living in a communist community in Israel, his past of not holding down any steady job till he was in his forties, his past of hanging the Russian communist flag up in his office when he was a mayor, his past of calling for the nationalization of the banking system and public utility companies, his past of visting and giving support to American hating communist revolutionaries in central America
    Source or stop whining.
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    Most of this reads conclusive. Can it be taken seriously? From an outsiders point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    No I did so you cant go to your favorite rebuttal of Fox News Lies
    Never ever posted anything on Fox news in this forum. So how can it be my favorite rebuttal? Oh yeah you made it up. Again.
    What are we gonna do now? Taking off his turban, they said, is this man a Jew?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    So there you have it even the liberal Huffington Post is coming to the realization that Trump will be our next president

    The DNC screwed up big time crowning Clinton to be their next presidential nominee even before the campaigning began. they coroneted a very damaged candidate and they are going to pay the ultimate price for doing so, and this isn't even taking into account the likely possibility of an indictment being handed down during the campaign

    And everyone says Republicans are in a mess
    Trump doesn't have own a majority among his own party. He's hopeless as a presidential candidate. The article posted is an embarrassment to journalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fengosa View Post
    Trump lost Minnesota and Iowa. We'll see how Ohio goes today. I think Hillary will do well in Nevada and Colorado versus Trump. The election could come down to Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida.
    Minnesota isn't a state that republicans need to win in a general election they been solid blue for decades I think it is the only state that Reagan didn't win

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pangean View Post
    Never ever posted anything on Fox news in this forum. So how can it be my favorite rebuttal? Oh yeah you made it up. Again.
    go back and read my post again
    I said your favorite rebuttal is saying Fox news Lies when anything is posted from them

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    I have no doubt he will be.

    And I know it's going to be great, despite what all the fearmongering nay sayers might tell you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by araine View Post
    Debbie needs to go, she is a corporate dino and have suggested so much shit that you could only expect a republican to introduce, Thats why democrats are failing, folks arent going to the polls to vote for dino's
    She's one of the main reasons I will vote for Trump if/when Bernie loses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Televators View Post
    Trump doesn't have own a majority among his own party. He's hopeless as a presidential candidate. The article posted is an embarrassment to journalism.
    Well whats amusing he equates an opinion piece as "even the liberal Huffington Post is coming to the realization that Trump will be our next president" as if the author represents anything other than his opinion.
    What are we gonna do now? Taking off his turban, they said, is this man a Jew?
    'Cause they're working for the clampdown
    They put up a poster saying we earn more than you!
    When we're working for the clampdown
    We will teach our twisted speech To the young believers
    We will train our blue-eyed men To be young believers

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