Tuesday March 22nd Primaries/Caucuses

[Grapemask]

I came just to see Skroe be rabid because I think Sanders may have touched him inappropriately as a child. At this point it's the only possible explanation.

I think it's telling that Trump is failing to net a true majority in Arizona of all places. Arizona's political leanings could not be any more in sync with his message, yet he still can't manage to sweep the board. Sure, having three candidates doesn't help, but that hasn't stopped his competition from grabbing majorities in their good states.

[Targis]

Right, because Sanders supporters calling Hillary "Shillary" and spewing vitriol about anybody who doesn't vote Sanders as an uneducated, morally bankrupt, greedy, etc. is fine right?

Face it, if these kinds of things really make or break who you support, then maybe your support wasn't so strong to begin with. Namecalling will always exist. If you want to attack Hillary, do it on the issues, something which seems to get lost on Sanders (And Trump) supporters.

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Right, because the US isn't a first (The first arguably) - world country? Finland, Sweden, and Norway can do no wrong right?

I never said that, but they have been far more successful in some areas than we are. And what exactly is the US first in nowadays? We're falling behind in many areas that the greatest country on earth should be leading in.

[Gray_Matter]

This is the asshole mentality of Hillary supporters; call the people names, such as "BernieBros" and "Sanderistas", instead of just Sanders supporters. Condescension, name-calling, belittling... That's how you unite the party.

"Your vote doesn't matter. You're not going to get to vote. Your candidate has to quit before it's your turn to vote. You're a BernieBro. You're a Sanderista. You're a communist. You're a socialist."

"Now, bow your head, do as we tell you and vote for our candidate."

That's how Hillary is going to get the support of the Sanders supporters. For sure.

What about the wasted money? He has raised just under $100 million to date. That could easily double. Is it not disingenuous to take that money from people when you don't stand a chance of winning?

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The thing is, if someone calls Bernie a socialist, Sanders supporters can immediately say "no, he's not", because he isn't. He's a democratic socialist. Then they can go through the process of educating people who don't understand what that means. You can call Bernie a communist and shine a light on your own ignorance and lack of education.

However, when someone calls Hillary "Shillary", insinuating that she's a corporate shill, there's really no defense against that. When someone gets $220 thousand for a speech, for reciting a few, pretty irrelevant words, and gets it in their own pocket, not for a campaign, you know the people giving that money will expect something in return. Nobody pays her $220 thousand for a speech. There hasn't been a speech on this planet made that would be worth that much, and there have been some pretty damn great speeches. Her speeches, I doubt it. They're paying her for favors. That's what being a shill is.

When someone calls her a weather vane, there's absolutely no defending that, because you can show her positions flipping according to who she's campaigning against, or where she's campaigning, or hell, to be a bit hyperbolic, what the weather is.

What about the wasted money?

Yes, that too. People have given money to Sanders for him to use on his campaign. For him not to use that money on his campaign would be to stab those people in the back.

[Gray_Matter]

Yes, that too. People have given money to Sanders for him to use on his campaign. For him not to use that money on his campaign would be to stab those people in the back.

He has something like $14 million unspent. Better to refund that rather than get another $96 million and waste that. He has outspent Clinton by a lot over the last few weeks and still hasn't produced a single sizable victory other than Vermont and NH.

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He has something like $4 million unspent. Better to refund that

No it's not. People don't want their $27 back. They want someone to fight for the revolution they want.

He has something like $4 million unspent.

Where is this figure from anyway.

[Grapemask]

The weird bitter bias against Sanders becomes obvious when you guys write paragraphs about how much of a jerk he is for staying in a race that it's unlikely, but not impossible, for him to win, while saying nothing about Kasich, who cannot mathematically win at all, or Cruz, who needs to do almost twice as well as Sanders is doing in order to win the Republican nomination.

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Did Clinton News Network shown a second of Sanders' speech? Were they showing an empty Trump podium again?

Might've been Clinton's speech was on at the exactly same time. Obviously Clinton News Network shows Clinton's speech, then.

[ringpriest]

"Unprecedented voter turnout causes Utah County Democrats to run out of ballots "



(I just couldn't resist.)

[Gray_Matter]

No it's not. People don't want their $27 back. They want someone to fight for the revolution they want.

Where is this figure from anyway.

It was supposed to be $14 million. A mistype. From here:

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/c...p?id=N00000528

But those are old figures. The later figures put his total haul at $136.6 million and he has $17 million on hand now. Here is a link for more info:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-cash-on-hand/

So he spend $41 million during February. That's a lot of wasted money. So you are saying that he should spend another $110 odd million over the rest of the election to save $17 million in donations that he still has on hand?

[Vynestra]

The bernie bro's on reddit saying lots of voter fraud in arizona and not understanding a lot of those votes coming in are early votes/absentee ballots....


wow...


Apparently the NEXT states are the ones theyll win 90-10.

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So he spend $41 million during February. That's a lot of wasted money. So you are saying that he should spend another $110 odd million over the rest of the election to save $17 million in donations that he still has on hand?

You call it "wasted money", I call it the voice of regular people, and if you ask them, I bet you they won't call it "wasted". Obviously, living in Finland, I would rather see a political system where there's no money spent, but if you're going to have a system where money is spent, it's much better to have actual, regular, real people spend $27 per person, than have billionaires, millionaires and corporations giving hundreds of thousands and millions to PACs for corporate shills.

So yes, he should keep allowing people to donate to him, and he should keep his campaign going to it's very end, ensuring every single person in every single state gets to vote.

[GennGreymane]

So is it finally safe to say that the GOP establishment has lost control of the GOP?

[Vynestra]

So is it finally safe to say that the GOP establishment has lost control of the GOP?

That's been safe to say for a while lol.

[HillaryJtrump]

Az called for Clinton with only 9% reporting. Well i am a democrat and if Hillary get the nomination I will be voting for Trump or Cruz. Rather have the Devil I know intend of two face

[Crissi]

you know, Im not for Bernie and dont really agree with his more rabid supporters, but in a democratic process he has the right to stay in until she clinches the nom. Im ok with this, since its only his supporters who should be angry if they believe the money is being wasted or not.

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Az called for Clinton with only 9% reporting. Well i am a democrat and if Hillary get the nomination I will be voting for Trump or Cruz. Rather have the Devil I know intend of two face

...except the devils you know are antagonizng our southern neighbor (who is rather crucial), and the other just wanted to basically moniter muslim communities at all times cause "theyre scary". I rather not go for blatent civil right abuses...

[HillaryJtrump]

...except the devils you know are antagonizng our southern neighbor (who is rather crucial), and the other just wanted to basically moniter muslim communities at all times cause "theyre scary". I rather not go for blatent civil right abuses...

And they are better than Clinton, IMO.

[Crissi]

And they are better than Clinton, IMO.

Im still a bit confused on how violating the rights of minorities is better than Clinton...

and going full boots on the ground in the ME to everyone

and repealing the ACA

and nominating super conservatives to the SC

[Vynestra]

Im still a bit confused on how violating the rights of minorities is better than Clinton...

and going full boots on the ground in the ME to everyone

and repealing the ACA

and nominating super conservatives to the SC

Lol ignore the bernie supporter throwing a temper tantrum.

I know how it feels to lose and swear you'll never support the other candidate....

Yeah that never pans out.

So many people confused about early votes/absentee ballots.

It's a simple concept.

[iceberg265]

Az called for Clinton with only 9% reporting. Well i am a democrat and if Hillary get the nomination I will be voting for Trump or Cruz. Rather have the Devil I know intend of two face

Clinton sucks, but if you vote for Cruz or Trump, you are a horrible person.