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    Quote Originally Posted by Arganis View Post
    It's hardly a fraction of a % but you wouldn't know.
    It actually is. The whole immigration from the "syrian crisis" represent currently about 0,4% of the european population. Europe isn't overwhelmed, at all. The problem is returning djihadist, immigrant infiltration by isis and their own youth radicalisation. Not the sheer numbers of immigrants.
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    nazi is not the abbreviation of national socialism....
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    Quote Originally Posted by advanta View Post
    You do have to explain yourself if you want your comments to be credible. I don't believe you are credible. You sound like a middle/upper-class posh boy that went into a ghetto once to score coke or something and got scared by all the brown people.
    Your comments do not tally with my experience of actually living in a ghetto and your language is redolent of media scaremongering rather than actual experience. Even far right types who lived in ghetto areas do not talk about it like you do.
    There's a big difference between the US and Europe when it comes to the situation in neighborhoods like that. The problems are not the same at all. Like I said, believe what you want to believe. At the end of the day the result will be the same. The 'National Front' has gained exponentially over the last few years France and it's not because the incredibly left-leaning population suddenly decided to turn into a bunch of ignorant bigots overnight.

    As for your comment about 'scoring coke' lol just lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    It actually is. The whole immigration from the "syrian crisis" represent currently about 0,4% of the european population. Europe isn't overwhelmed, at all. The problem is returning djihadist, immigrant infiltration by isis and their own youth radicalisation. Not the sheer numbers of immigrants.
    You obviously didn't pay any attention to what I wrote. I said the main issue there was 2nd, 3rd generation muslims, not Syrian refugees and their population is exponentially larger than 0.4%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkey One View Post
    I know. Its the people who are racist that don't understand #1.

    Right now most of those people attribute your every day Middle Eastern person to being Muslim and it turns into racism even if that doesn't really make sense to do. Its just what happens. Basically I was saying that public opinion regarding what people think of Muslims will produce more than just racism eventually. Not that Muslim is a race in itself
    oh, i'm used to people actually saying racism when talking about feelings against islam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arganis View Post
    It's hardly a fraction of a % but you wouldn't know. Hell, a lot of the people in those countries don't even know because they don't want to know. In France for example the political class acts like they don't see what the general population is so angry about, voting for the extreme right, when in truth they've never set foot in the 'ghettos' many of their citizens are forced to live in. Places that are overrun with 2nd, 3rd generation muslim immigrants who run the place and terrorize most of the other people living there, including other muslims because they were never properly integrated and ostracized in many ways. The justice system is a joke and people can appear before a judge dozens of times for things such as repeated assault and robbery without any real consequence. The situation is dire and I'd be willing to bet it'll catch fire within the next decade. Once the welfare money goes those people will be in the streets tearing the place apart.
    Thanks for the laugh.
    People in a shithole trying to make it, sure it ain't pretty.
    These ghettos were built to keep them away from the big cities, we can't complain about integration.
    They're small regions with big character, and at the moment, in France, they're one of the biggest artistic influence.

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    The 'National Front' has gained exponentially over the last few years France
    Nop. We're just not giving a fuck anymore about election.
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    I might be the only one, but I'm actually more worried/sad about the guy dying than the loss of the card, the card is useless by now (unless they do some hacking-insider job shit I kno nuthing bout). The thought that individuals get targeted however, just because they work at a certain place, is the scary thing for me... they knew that terrorist targeted the/a power plant and they couldn't stop it and can you blame them for that? I can't, because I believe it's impossible without having Big Brother watching everything and everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkthensis View Post
    These ghettos were built to keep them away from the big cities, we can't complain about integration.
    Yes they were, which is exactly why integration there is such a failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arkthensis View Post
    They're small regions with big character, and at the moment, in France, they're one of the biggest artistic influence.
    As a frenchman I'm glad you feel the need to tell me how much character our regions have and how artistic we are.

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    Thanks for the laugh.
    People in a shithole trying to make it, sure it ain't pretty.
    Not sure what part is funny to you then.

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    You should be ashamed of posting that. Anyone with half a brain knows that's complete horseshit. It's like the media here telling you money has no influence on the political process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arganis View Post
    It's hardly a fraction of a % but you wouldn't know. Hell, a lot of the people in those countries don't even know because they don't want to know. In France for example the political class acts like they don't see what the general population is so angry about, voting for the extreme right, when in truth they've never set foot in the 'ghettos' many of their citizens are forced to live in. Places that are overrun with 2nd, 3rd generation muslim immigrants who run the place and terrorize most of the other people living there, including other muslims because they were never properly integrated and ostracized in many ways. The justice system is a joke and people can appear before a judge dozens of times for things such as repeated assault and robbery without any real consequence. The situation is dire and I'd be willing to bet it'll catch fire within the next decade. Once the welfare money goes those people will be in the streets tearing the place apart.
    Three largest % end intakers of refugees since 2011 compared to population % are Finland, Germany and Greece

    Germany's % lies at 0.375 with estimated 300 000 refugees
    Greece is at 2.7 as highest European country with 375 000 refugees, but they are border country and first time takers
    Finland is at 0.6 with 30 000 refugees. Estimate by end of year is 40 000 which would be ever scary 0.73%

    So yes, across Europe is very much a fraction of a percentage regardless of fear mongering about overtaking and end of our culture. Total number of possible refugees is at around 10 000 000 world wide from these conflict zones and even if those all came here, every single one (which won't happen) in terms of total European population is about 1.34%

    I'm fucking scared of being overtaken right there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    Three largest % end intakers of refugees since 2011 compared to population % are Finland, Germany and Greece

    Germany's % lies at 0.375 with estimated 300 000 refugees
    Greece is at 2.7 as highest European country with 375 000 refugees, but they are border country and first time takers
    Finland is at 0.6 with 30 000 refugees. Estimate by end of year is 40 000 which would be ever scary 0.73%

    So yes, across Europe is very much a fraction of a percentage regardless of fear mongering about overtaking and end of our culture. Total number of possible refugees is at around 10 000 000 world wide from these conflict zones and even if those all came here, every single one (which won't happen) in terms of total European population is about 1.34%

    I'm fucking scared of being overtaken right there.
    Are you purposefully talking about syrian refugees when I never once mentioned them? You're obviously too in hurry to post what makes you feel good to read what my argument is even about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arganis View Post
    Are you purposefully talking about syrian refugees when I never once mentioned them?
    It's refugees in total, not Syrian refugees. And since only reason this discussion even exists is the refugee "crisis" it'd be intellectually dishonest to assume it was about anything else.

    But sure, divert the discussion when actual numbers don't work in your favour. Typical tactic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    It's refugees in total, not Syrian refugees. And since only reason this discussion even exists is the refugee "crisis" it'd be intellectually dishonest to assume it was about anything else.

    But sure, divert the discussion when actual numbers don't work in your favour. Typical tactic.
    Stop telling me about fucking refugees. That's NOT THE TOPIC of what I wrote. At all. READ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arganis View Post
    Stop telling me about fucking refugees. That's NOT THE TOPIC of what I wrote. At all. READ.
    I already replied to the topic. Then you posted your fucking nonsense about being overtaken to which I replied. Context dude, context.

    Backpedaling was expected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    I already replied to the topic. Then you posted your fucking nonsense about being overtaken to which I replied. Context dude, context.
    Yes and your reply was all about refugees which has nothing to do with what I was talking about. I'm not diverting anything, you're the one on a tangent that suits you. I'm very well aware 'muslim refugees' don't count for jack shit in terms of total population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arganis View Post
    Yes and your reply was all about refugees which has nothing to do with what I was talking about.
    If you say so altough I'd be very sorry for you if you actually believe that.
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    France has had an issue with it's ghettos for decades, so Arganis isn't wrong when he's adressing the issue he is.

    It doesn't help when you democratically elect someone who's response to rioting by disenfranchised citizens is "Let them riot, we will just send in the army", so I certainly don't have a great deal of sympathy for France dealing with this issue :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arganis View Post
    As a frenchman I'm glad you feel the need to tell me how much character our regions have and how artistic we are.
    T'inquiètes ça me fait plaisir. (My pleasure)


    Quote Originally Posted by Arganis View Post
    You should be ashamed of posting that. Anyone with half a brain knows that's complete horseshit. It's like the media here telling you money has no influence on the political process.
    Yeah right, abstentionism isn't an issue in the western world atm.
    Je te conseille ce documentaire sur l'abstentionnisme.

    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    France has had an issue with it's ghettos for decades, so Arganis isn't wrong when he's adressing the issue he is.
    It doesn't help when you democratically elect someone who's response to rioting by disenfranchised citizens is "Let them riot, we will just send in the army", so I certainly don't have a great deal of sympathy for France dealing with this issue :P
    Absolutely, but he's just painting the whole ghettos with one broad brush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkthensis View Post
    Absolutely, but he's just painting the whole ghettos with one broad brush.
    I don't doubt it; but it seemed like a lot of people were taking what he was talking about (2nd+ gen immigrant ghettos in France (and Belgium, not really sure there are so many in other nations) and saying "Durr, refugees are a tiny proportion!" when he was clearly talking about the issue thats been brewing for yonks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    If you say so altough I'd be very sorry for you if you actually believe that.
    See that's the problem right there. You're here, like so many others in this thread, just waging a pseudo-intellectual battle in the name of what sounds good without any knowledge of the situation on the ground. There's a real problem in places like France and that's why the far right has gone from being a joke party and 'protest vote' to a real menace. Nothing like the situation in the US, where muslims are mostly used as boogeymen to detract people from what they should really care about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Hahahahahahahaha.
    Bullshit.
    You probably don't even live in Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkthensis View Post
    Absolutely, but he's just painting the whole ghettos with one broad brush.
    I don't doubt it; but it seemed like a lot of people were taking what he was taling about (2nd+ gen immigrant ghettos in France (and Belgium, not really sure there are so many in other nations) and saying "Durr, refugees are a tiny proportion!" when he was clearly talking about the issue thats been brewing for yonks

    Why did you guys vote for Sarkozy btw? Was it just his hot wife or what was the political climate like to make him the most appealing choice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arganis View Post
    See that's the problem right there. You're here, like so many others in this thread, just waging a pseudo-intellectual battle in the name of what sounds good without any knowledge of the situation on the ground. There's a real problem in places like France and that's why the far right has gone from being a joke party and 'protest vote' to a real menace. Nothing like the situation in the US, where muslims are mostly used as boogeymen to detract people from what they should really care about.
    "Pseudo-intellectual battle" with facts and real numbers vs. ideologically driven drivel with no numbers or facts to back it up.

    I'll stay on my side thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    "Pseudo-intellectual battle" with facts and real numbers vs. ideologically driven drivel with no numbers or facts to back it up.

    I'll stay on my side thank you.
    You got nothing man. Jumped into a discussion without even reading what it was about. Tried to make a point with data that was completely irrelevant to the discussion and now you're holding on to it cause it's all you have.
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