What If Aliens are waiting for us to Evolve

[Raetary]

Ok, let me correct myself then, there are no such things as humanoid intelligent aliens. I wouldnt too surprised if they find some bacteria or something though.

ok, we found god guys! humanity is special!

now srsly, the universe is so big, so beautiful and so mysterious, its impossible for the human brain to comprehend it!
there are countless of stars, galaxies, planets, and you say there is no such thing intelligent life forms anywhere in the universe except on our planet?

[Deleted]

I can use math to show that you are staggeringly likely to be incorrect when stating there is no such as thing as aliens. Whilst I can never prove you wrong in regards to showing you there are other thinking, feeling creatures out there we may find microbial life on some of the moons orbiting the outer gas giants. Places like Europa and Enceladus. They maybe bacteria if we find them, but they will be alien bacteria.

You most certainly cant. So far weve found even the simplest life from only one place so the likelihood is unknown making any math you might conjure up meaningless.

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ok, we found god guys! humanity is special!

now srsly, the universe is so big, so beautiful and so mysterious, its impossible for the human brain to comprehend it!
there are countless of stars, galaxies, planets, and you say there is no such thing intelligent life forms anywhere in the universe except on our planet?

Actually yes, because the evidence is missing. Besides, two very important facts to consider. First.. humans and most animals only look like this, with this face configuration cause we all evolved from one single ancestor that looked like this. There is nothing better or more practical about this than say an octopus shape or something else entirely, so if aliens do exist, they certainly dont look humanoid.

And second.. assuming they exist, they might be so far away that well never make contact. Besides, what possible reason would they have to come here physically?

[TheAbomb]

Kardashev scale is a description of civilization's energy consumption. A civilization could use less energy and be lower on the scale when in fact it would be more advanced technologically.

Also evolve to what?

Evolve to a higher civilization. Humans are still early in their evolution.

[Cæli]

Is it really very likely though? Look at all the life forms we have on earth, there's only humans that's close to being an advanced life form.

Depends on your definition. 1 chance out of 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 is not very likely to make life appear on 1 planet, but very likely to make life appear if there's 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 planet. I assume the universe is infinite so there should be way more planet than that if there's other "universes" outside of ours which I believe.

On earth there's like 1 close to advanced life form out of like 10 000 000. It's ridiculously high for space standards.

We humans have a problem to understand how big the universe is. It does not matter that life is a statistical anomaly for appearing if the universe is that big.

[Deleted]

We humans have a problem to understand how big the universe is. It does not matter that life is a statistic anomaly for appearring if the universe is that big.

My IQ dropped by 5 points just from reading this..

Its the only thing that matters.

[Obelisk Kai]

You most certainly cant. So far weve found even the simplest life from only one place so the likelihood is unknown making any math you might conjure up meaningless.

Far from meaningless, the maths used is a statement of probability. The Drake equation is the best known example of this sort of calculation and is easily googled.

You are mistaking lack of evidence as proof of absence and actually coming across as wallowing in your own ignorance by doing so. You have absolutely no grounds to declare, point blank, that there are no aliens in the universe given the vast scale involved and our extremely limited ability to even investigate the issue.

[Garnier Fructis]

Far from meaningless, the maths used is a statement of probability. The Drake equation is the best known example of this sort of calculation and is easily googled.

You are mistaking lack of evidence as proof of absence and actually coming across as wallowing in your own ignorance by doing so. You have absolutely no grounds to declare, point blank, that there are no aliens in the universe given the vast scale involved and our extremely limited ability to even investigate the issue.

A probabilistic calculation in which you do not know the probability of occurrence (probability of life occurring) or the number of tries you get (how many planets/whether the universe is finite and large, small or infinite) is just a plausibility argument; it's debatable whether or not it can even be called a probability statement.

[Gheld]

Macroscale application of probabilism is silly. Teehee. :3


There's a certain threshold of low probability beyond which the quantized nature of the universe renders an event of low enough probability impossible in every practical sense of the word.

My keyboard will not fall through my desk. Ever. For any reason. At any time. Even if there are mechanisms by which it could happen.

[Deleted]

Far from meaningless, the maths used is a statement of probability. The Drake equation is the best known example of this sort of calculation and is easily googled.

You are mistaking lack of evidence as proof of absence and actually coming across as wallowing in your own ignorance by doing so. You have absolutely no grounds to declare, point blank, that there are no aliens in the universe given the vast scale involved and our extremely limited ability to even investigate the issue.

No ,the chance of life evolving, the chance of it surviving, the chance of it becoming multicellular etc. is unknown.

The size of the universe is meaningless if those are very small so that equation could easily give you 1 (which is us)as a result.

Besides, I was just saying that if the result is greater than 1 and there are actually some primate looking things on the other side of the universe, billions of light years away, we will never meet them and even if we do, it wont be a bunch of funky humanoids with fish heads sitting in a bar, making funny noises.

[Gorsameth]

So the question on why haven't we found Alien life is a good one. People claim there can be no Alien life or we would of found it by now. Or why haven't Aliens visited us because we are intelligent. Well guess it's all perspective. On a famous scale called the Kardashev scale it ranks intelligent civilizations and where we place is surprising to most. Dr. Michio Kaku has expanded on the scale with some better definitions but found this video helpful to get the discussion rolling.

What If Aliens are waiting for us to Evolve
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w6u3ZVhSvY

The question is then how to we become interesting and at what point are we considered Evolved enough for Aliens to take notice of us. When do we become a Type 1 civilization?


Please let me know what you think.

Sigh, fine I will humor you...

We haven't found alien life because we have only looked at the tiniest of fractions of the universe. And it is reasonable to assume that life is rare.
Fortunately the universe is unfathomable big so other intelligent life certainly exists somewhere out there.

They haven't visited us because again, space in unfathomable big and we have only influences the tiniest of tiny fractions of it.
The furthest man made object has barely left our own solar system.

Even if some alien is aware of our existence they have no real reason to interact with us, we are a violent and utterly primitive species.
There is literally no upside for them to contact us.

Will all these facts change?
Yes

At some point in time we will find other intelligent life or it will find us and consider us worth contacting.

That or we become extinct through any of a million possible scenarios


Welcome to existence.

[Garnier Fructis]

No ,the chance of life evolving, the chance of it surviving, the chance of it becoming multicellular etc. is unknown.

The size of the universe is meaningless if those are very small so that equation could easily give you 1 (which is us)as a result.

Besides, I was just saying that if the result is greater than 1 and there are actually some primate looking things on the other side of the universe, billions of light years away, we will never meet them and even if we do, it wont be a bunch of funky humanoids with fish heads sitting in a bar, making funny noises.

The size of the universe is actually relevant, but that's also unknown so you're point still holds.

[ComputerNerd]

True however most Aliens that at least would visit us we would never be dangerous too. Just from being so far behind in Technology.

If they are regularly observing us, then as soon as we become aware of that observation then it is likely our development of technology will be influenced hugely by that.
I would argue that is when we become dangerous, when we discover we are no longer alone.

[Yat-Yas]

Humans can't really evolve anymore. Our gene pools are too intermingled too create any speciation and no other homo species are left. Culturally we can evolve and the idea of artificial evolution can come to play but if aliens are waiting for a new homo species to develop, they might as well be watching for our sun to swallow the planet.

[Deleted]

Evolve to a higher civilization. Humans are still early in their evolution.

There is no early in evolution. You are either fit to survive in the environment or not. Intelligent people are already rare, and they don't propagate their genes as much as general population.

Ignorance rules this world. Unless you can make intelligence common, the people in power will still manipulate the ignorant masses to secure their survival.

[Deleted]

The size of the universe is actually relevant, but that's also unknown so you're point still holds.

It is relevant of course but my original comment was a replay to the "math boy" who offered to show me the math to prove .. I dont know what.. by showing how big the universe. Since we dont know the other variables in that formula, what good is knowing one of them?

To simplify this, lets assume the formula was x * y = number of intelligent species. X being the size of the universe and Y the chance of life evolving to intelligence on a single planet. So even if X is infinite, and Y is 0, the number of intelligent species is still zero (although we know it isnt 0 as we are here).

[TheAbomb]

There is no early in evolution. You are either fit to survive in the environment or not. Intelligent people are already rare, and they don't propagate their genes as much as general population.

Ignorance rules this world. Unless you can make intelligence common, the people in power will still manipulate the ignorant masses to secure their survival.

We are early in our technological evolution as we speak. We just had the industrial revolution 200 years ago. This will go on for some time until there is the next one and our civilization and evolution jumps forward yet again. What is the next technological revolution. Maybe it's 3D printers or smart machines. Perhaps AI. Who know's. However we are a very young species that is very young in it's technology advances and evolution.

[Garnier Fructis]

We are early in our technological evolution as we speak. We just had the industrial revolution 200 years ago. This will go on for some time until there is the next one and our civilization and evolution jumps forward yet again. What is the next technological revolution. Maybe it's 3D printers or smart machines. Perhaps AI. Who know's. However we are a very young species that is very young in it's technology advances and evolution.

Early is relative. Relative to what, we don't even know because we have no idea what kinds of technology are ultimately possible.

[Putin-Chan]

We're not going to evolve. We might become naturally obsese and idiotic, but that's it.

[Piglord]

What if aliens see us and think "Fuck that. We've seen their movies, they are going to blow us the fuck up."

[TheAbomb]

Early is relative. Relative to what, we don't even know because we have no idea what kinds of technology are ultimately possible.

Early being relative to a couple 100 years of enjoying technological advances to our civilization. It is early being that our planet that we live on is also young 4.5 billion years old and we have been around for a fraction of that time. Early to that of the Universe being 13.7 billion years old.

Civilization could of been around before our solar system has even been formed. However not to go debate that. Let's just focus on how young our civilization is in the grand scope of the time scale. Then our actual meaningful development has only been around for 250 years. In just 100 years we will look back on the early 2000's and think how could we have lived like that. So to go ahead 1,000 or even 10,000 years from now will be major changes as our civilization actually develops out of it's infancy.