Trump's GOP will be the liberal/left-wing party this campaign - Washington Post

[Bollocks]

Needless to say, I'm thinking about voting for Trump to give a middle finger to everyone right now. Especially the democratic primary voters who didn't vote for Bernie.

Vote independent or simply don't vote at all Trump stands against everything bernie has stood for

[mvaliz]

As one comment said: The parties are flipping. GOP is becoming the party looking out for working people + middle class. Dems the party for the elites.

...BWAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!! A Billionare casino owner that has bought more elections than others, and who has given the least to charity is the one you actually believe who's "looking out for working people + middle class"!?

Give me a break... it's going to take the next depression caused by Trump to wake some of you out of your delusional states IMO.

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Most people voted for him because they want companies to stop exporting jobs overseas and to stop using illegal immigrants instead of hiring American workers. Oh and to beat the shit out of ISIS instead of doing what appears to be nothing/jack all.

Oh, you know most people?

[araine]

Needless to say, I'm thinking about voting for Trump to give a middle finger to everyone right now. Especially the democratic primary voters who didn't vote for Bernie.

We can still get bernie

[mvaliz]

Trump is hated by ALL the elite that should tell you he is doing something right

So... whom do you identify as an "elite"? If by "elite" you mean "Democrats with lots of money", well - that pretty much means every Republican candidate by your definition, including Bush Jr, was "doing something right", wasn't it? :P

[Sunseeker]

Technically Trump hasn't won yet. If you're so sure about what GOP voters want, why don't you go run for the nomination. You can still force a contested convention and end up booting Trump, since you seem to be so omniscient about what GOP voters want.

By "election" I meant primaries. The only way to make him lose now is to cheat.

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I love how you SJWs pin racist on anyone who believes in national sovereignty

And I love how you 'cons throw around SJW like people give a shit what you think.

[mvaliz]

Needless to say, I'm thinking about voting for Trump to give a middle finger to everyone right now. Especially the democratic primary voters who didn't vote for Bernie.

You'll be giving yourself the finger as well if you do that. As I ask idiots who make such ridiculous claims; What exactly makes you believe you will survive your own decision?

[Sunseeker]

Most people voted for him because they want companies to stop exporting jobs overseas and to stop using illegal immigrants instead of hiring American workers. Oh and to beat the shit out of ISIS instead of doing what appears to be nothing/jack all.

Right so like, those brown people who don't speak english staffing Trump's major hotels are just what, illiterate tan white people?

[mvaliz]

I love how you SJWs pin racist on anyone who believes in national sovereignty

Nope - only the zealots like you and Trump who define "National Sovereignty" as "anybody who's not a White Christian die-hard Capitalist". Trump is doing to Musluims and Mexicans (illegal or not, just ask the racists who are voting for him) what Hitler did to the Jews. Pointed to them and say "THEY'RE the reason for bad things! hate them!"

[Pangean]

Don't be so sure. Trump has brought more republicans out to vote, for and against him then in recent history. A lot of the far right people, like my parents are older then sand and they won't be around for much longer. What you have left is a large working class (53% of all jobs in America pay 30k or less) facing higher skill requirements and competition with H1-B visa's to climb the ladder. The bottom of the ladder is being eaten away by the exportation of industry and the import of automation. This is magnified ever more so by local/state leaders willing to take huge campaign donations to legislate or pave the way for industry to flee the US with special tax exemptions. Combine that with across the board pay cuts (excluding CEOs), cost of living increases, and rising costs of education. More people on the right are worried about the fiscal issues then they are the social issues, only the very far right are drawing lines in the sand about social issues like gay marriage and abortions. The GOP, right now, whether people see it or not, is in a phase of rebranding

Hmmmm...

"Data from Public Policy Polling show that a third of Mr. Trump’s backers in South Carolina support barring gays and lesbians from entering the country. This is nearly twice the support for this idea (17 percent) among Ted Cruz’s and Marco Rubio’s voters and nearly five times the support of John Kasich’s and Ben Carson’s supporters (7 percent).

Similarly, YouGov data reveal that a third of Mr. Trump’s (and Mr. Cruz’s) backers believe that Japanese internment during World War II was a good idea, while roughly 10 percent of Mr. Rubio’s and Mr. Kasich’s supporters do. Mr. Trump’s coalition is also more likely to disagree with the desegregation of the military (which was ordered in 1948 by Harry Truman) than other candidates’ supporters are.

The P.P.P. poll asked voters if they thought whites were a superior race. Most Republican primary voters in South Carolina — 78 percent — disagreed with this idea (10 percent agreed and 11 percent weren’t sure). But among Mr. Trump’s supporters, only 69 percent disagreed. Mr. Carson’s voters were the most opposed to the notion (99 percent), followed by Mr. Kasich and Mr. Cruz’s supporters at 92 and 89 percent. Mr. Rubio’s backers were close to the average level of disagreement (76 percent).

According to P.P.P., 70 percent of Mr. Trump’s voters in South Carolina wish the Confederate battle flag were still flying on their statehouse grounds. (It was removed last summer less than a month after a mass shooting at a black church in Charleston.) The polling firm says that 38 percent of them wish the South had won the Civil War. Only a quarter of Mr. Rubio’s supporters share that wish, and even fewer of Mr. Kasich’s and Mr. Carson’s do.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/25/up...tolerance.html

Seems like the normal regressives were flocking to Trump. New boss same as the old boss.

[Deleted]

Yeah, I'm not voting for a Republican. Because fuck the religious neo-cons that have hijacked the party. (and fuck neo-cons)

I'm voting for Trump.

Not sure I would call him a liberal though, lol. Trump's pretty solidly a conservative. An actual conservative. Not a neo-con corporate shill like the rest of all the candidates for the last uh 40 years? Excluding Sanders, obviously.

[sarahtasher]

Uh, considering that ''liberal'' and ''leftists'' are insults in the mouth of Trump supporters....

[stomination]

HA! In the GOP's dreams. They're still the party of oppressive, regressive social programs and Trump isn't going to change it. Sure, we might have a more libertarian-leaning Republican president who favors free enterprise and dumps the regressive religious right, but that's not going to be a permanent change.

Sounds just like the way the dems changed after the civil war.

[Oneirophobia]

You cannot just shift platforms in the middle of election. Not with the internet broadcasting to the entire world everything you said and done during the primaries.

Tell that to Hillary. Literally flip-flopping on a dime with every speech.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Trump isn't suddenly left wing just because he agreed with Bernie that Hillary is being controlled.

[Sky High]

lawl, yeah he's all for free speech so long as you say nice things about him. this is a fucking joke of a thread.

[SodiumChloride]

Tell that to Hillary. Literally flip-flopping on a dime with every speech.

Flip flops are one thing, I mean Hillary is pretty much center-left - or center-right if you ask someone outside the US.

But 180s are a separate matter. I think it's what kill Romney's campaign. He was one person during the primaries and a separate person during the election. Who do you believe? What if you believed wrong?

The democrats on the other hand have been pretty consistent in where they stand during the entirety of their campaigns.

[chrisberb]

Funnily enough, I got a phone call earlier today that started off with Donald Trump talking, and then another voice talking about how Trump is no longer self funding, and requires emergency campaign donations. With each $10 donation you get a Donald Trump sticker, for those who could donate $500 you'd get an autographed Donald Trump photo. Oh boy!

[purebalance]

Oh please. Trump hasn't proven anything. He won the election with racist nationalism. The fact that he went after brown people instead of the gays doesn't change anything. Beyond that, Trump is only one person, the vast majority of the GOP still favors the religious right.

Harping on illegal immigrants and saying that maybe until ISIS is contained that we should consider not letting Muslims in is racist? I mean hell Sanders flat out has showed racist ideals and was shouted off his own stage by BLM terrorists.

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Nope - only the zealots like you and Trump who define "National Sovereignty" as "anybody who's not a White Christian die-hard Capitalist". Trump is doing to Musluims and Mexicans (illegal or not, just ask the racists who are voting for him) what Hitler did to the Jews. Pointed to them and say "THEY'RE the reason for bad things! hate them!"

"White people don't know what it's like to be poor" When are you going to call Sanders a racist since that's far more racist than anything Trump has said.

[Hooked]

As long as he builds the wall, kicks out every last illegal and fixes our trade imbalances, I don't care what he does.

[bloodmoth13]

Nationalism is borderline racism. Learn your political spectrums.

Where does racism appear on a political spectrum?

from what i know there are scales between

Franchise, or how much influence voters have and how open voting is.

In the US, nearly everyone can vote, which might make you think it is democratic, but in truth voters have very little franchise, as the 1 decision they get to make is who gets to make every single other decision. When it comes to issues like the TPPA on the other hand, you see a distinct lack of democracy with 0 voter participation.

and the other spectrum is government influence, which ranges from libertarianism (ABSOLUTELY NOT LIBERALISM) to totalitarianism.
If the govt has no influence, then the system is very libertarian, if it is very invasive, like snooping on phone calls, it is totalitarianism.
Snowden leaks show a shift towards totalitarianism, Communism is also very totalitarian while free market capitalism is libertarian, even though many seem to think the opposite and associate Communism with liberalism and think liberalism has anything to do with libertarianism

The scale of racist to not racist doesnt exist on either spectrum, if 'right' wing voters happen to be racists, that has nothing to do with the politics themselves being racist. Also racism is a heavily loaded word that means far too much and far too little, and is at a point where it is simply used as slander against anyone who disagrees with policies that benefit minorities.

Personally i consider racism as hatred directed at a race. I dont consider people who will have african friends but considers most african americans to have bad behaviour as a racist. Unless he universally hates africans based solely on their race then he is not racist, people who make exceptions have other problems, and implying anyone who has a problem with a minority hates everyone from that race is pure ignorance, as it generally has absolutely nothing to do with race despite all appearances.