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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Xarim View Post
    I don't understand what you mean by "capitalist congress" - this is not about the beliefs of government employees and representatives, just about the manner in which they are chosen and retained

    There's a difference between companies, where incompetent people get fired because they do a bad job and that costs the company money, and governments around the world where incompetents are allowed to fester because competence is less of a criterion for public office than votes

    Note that I'm not a republican or a democrat, both sides are full of stupid people because that's what happens in politics

    This is just one reason that smaller government is better, and capitalism is a better way of running society than socialism
    I was poking fun at your "capitalism >>>> socialism" bit with my "capitalist congress" because it didn't make sense that you threw your assessment of economic systems into the discussion. Probably not a well-crafted poking of fun on my part. I agree with you up to the last line. I can't get behind platitudes about superior sizes of government and rahrah capitalism. As someone neither D nor R, and observant of the general stupidity in politics, I'm sure you recognize that various "big government/socialism" type things are necessary, while at the same time many "small government/capitalism" things are ideal. We don't have and shouldn't have a pure form of either.

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Athor View Post
    But they are using exactly the same method to gather data. But i guess you consider it more true because it goes with your narrative.

    Everyone i know with a hard STEM degree is voting for Trump. Everyone i know who has an easy arts degree is voting for sanders. Problem is liberal arts college students tend to only hang around with other liberal arts students, and tend to be on social media circle jerking alot more, so they pretend all people in higher education vote democrat, and have been pushing that narrative. When its simply not true, if they did a degree that required being good at logical reasoning they would vote for Trump too.
    Yes, of course. Voting for the dude that want to force Mexico to build a wall is ''logical''. Sure. Sure.

  3. #43
    Ok, keep burying your heads in the sand and screaming lalalalalala, Canada will all take you come november

  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Detritivores View Post
    I was poking fun at your "capitalism >>>> socialism" bit with my "capitalist congress" because it didn't make sense that you threw your assessment of economic systems into the discussion. Probably not a well-crafted poking of fun on my part. I agree with you up to the last line. I can't get behind platitudes about superior sizes of government and rahrah capitalism. As someone neither D nor R, and observant of the general stupidity in politics, I'm sure you recognize that various "big government/socialism" type things are necessary, while at the same time many "small government/capitalism" things are ideal. We don't have and shouldn't have a pure form of either.
    I guess for me politics is pretty uninteresting because it's surprisingly divorced from actual political outcomes

    Especially in the USA, but also in the UK, the way the public votes and what people want is almost irrelevant

    The electorate is easily manipulated, elections are decided by money and special interests, so really economics and business are far more important determinants of political outcomes than trying to understand what voters want

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by sarahtasher View Post
    Yes, of course. Voting for the dude that want to force Mexico to build a wall is ''logical''. Sure. Sure.
    Its the literal definition of logical. People keep running over the border and costing the US 100's of billions. Build a wall, even if its not 100% effective all the time, its clearly going to be more effective then not having one. Mexico makes billions from being able to freely come in the country illegally, so they owe the money.

    Mexico should also be the ones patrolling the border, because it is their border too. But do they, no. Because it doesn't make sense for them too as they make so much from their citizens going illegally into america then sending the money back to mexico. Now if Mexico was losing money from this illegal migration, and america was the ones making money from it, then they would be expecting America to pay for a wall.

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Xarim View Post
    I guess for me politics is pretty uninteresting because it's surprisingly divorced from actual political outcomes

    Especially in the USA, but also in the UK, the way the public votes and what people want is almost irrelevant

    The electorate is easily manipulated, elections are decided by money and special interests, so really economics and business are far more important determinants of political outcomes than trying to understand what voters want
    I don't disagree. But in a twisted way, voting is still our only way to influence those economic systems. Besides becoming mega-wealthy and buying politicians.

  7. #47
    Considering the number of educated but stupid people I know, I'm not entirely sure what I'm supposed to take from this.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Xarim View Post
    This is just one reason that smaller government is better, and capitalism is a better way of running society than socialism
    Smaller government in the sense of "less elected officials" you mean?
    Because there are governments around the world that employ most of their officials for merit and not because they won some vote despite having no skill that recomend them for the position. Most people who speak of "big government" incidentally mean "too many employees" of the latter kind.

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Athor View Post
    Its the literal definition of logical. People keep running over the border and costing the US 100's of billions. Build a wall, even if its not 100% effective all the time, its clearly going to be more effective then not having one. Mexico makes billions from being able to freely come in the country illegally, so they owe the money.

    Mexico should also be the ones patrolling the border, because it is their border too. But do they, no. Because it doesn't make sense for them too as they make so much from their citizens going illegally into america then sending the money back to mexico. Now if Mexico was losing money from this illegal migration, and america was the ones making money from it, then they would be expecting America to pay for a wall.
    That's not ''logical''. That fear mongering and populism 101.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Moon View Post
    Strange, considering that Trump himself is less educated than my dog.
    They likely equated "better educated" with "their education has cost more money". I very much doubt they tested them on their education and knowledge.

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by twelvethirty View Post
    Ok, keep burying your heads in the sand and screaming lalalalalala, Canada will all take you come november
    Another ''logical'' thing is I suppose to imply (around 500 times per day) is that when Trump is elected, the ''real amuricans'' will take their big guns and purge the country of ''illegals'' (read, anyone non white) and ''liburals'' (read, anyone not voting from Trump). Nothing look more rationnal that advocating for the expulsion or flat out murder of more of few dozens millions people.

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by sarahtasher View Post
    Another ''logical'' thing is I suppose to imply (around 500 times per day) is that when Trump is elected, the ''real amuricans'' will take their big guns and purge the country of ''illegals'' (read, anyone non white) and ''liburals'' (read, anyone not voting from Trump). Nothing look more rationnal that advocating for the expulsion or flat out murder of more of few dozens millions people.
    Sorry but that's your own racism coming through there. You think anyone that isn't white must be an illegal immigrant, so if people say they dont want illegal immigrants then in your mind they are saying they do not want non-white people in their country. You cannot fathom that people that aren't white can come into the country legally.

    Liberals want to kill anyone that disagree's with them, so they assume the other side wants to kill them too, which is not the case. And logical people have accepted their must be non-logical people in the world, because men can't give birth to kids!

    But thanks for proving my point about liberals not understanding logic, you have based your thoughts on emotions and not rational thought.

  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Athor View Post
    Sorry but that's your own racism coming through there. You think anyone that isn't white must be an illegal immigrant, so if people say they dont want illegal immigrants then in your mind they are saying they do not want non-white people in their country. You cannot fathom that people that aren't white can come into the country legally.

    Liberals want to kill anyone that disagree's with them, so they assume the other side wants to kill them too, which is not the case. And logical people have accepted their must be non-logical people in the world, because men can't give birth to kids!

    But thanks for proving my point about liberals not understanding logic, you have based your thoughts on emotions and not rational thought.
    Ah, of course, you have to imply that only men (presumably doing STEM stuff....at De Vry...) are logical. You would not be a real Trump supporter if you don't. Implying that Liberals want to kill everyone they disagree with them is of course logical-like packing 20 AR in your backyard ''bekauze the FEMA is going to send us to death camps'' .

    Logic = vote for DAH TRUMP MASTAH (implied : be a white dude with dozens of guns at home)
    Illogic emotion driven = disagree with DAH TRUMP MASTAH (implied : a stoopid wumin or a beta cuck libural LULZ)

    I mean, Trump said the wall is a good idea, so it's logical and the smartest thing ever. He said so, so it's true . He told you that he would force China at gunpoint to buy American stuff while barring China entry to the US market, so it's logical.
    Last edited by sarahtasher; 2016-05-11 at 11:28 AM.

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by sarahtasher View Post
    Ah, of course, you have to imply that only men (presumably doing STEM stuff....at De Vry...) are logical. You would not be a real Trump supporter if you don't. Implying that Liberals want to kill everyone they disagree with them is of course logical-like packing 20 AR in your backyard ''bekauze the FEMA is going to send us to death camps'' .

    Logic = vote for DAH TRUMP MASTAH (implied : be a white dude with dozens of guns at home)
    Illogic emotion driven = disagree with DAH TRUMP MASTAH (implied : a stoopid wumin or a beta cuck libural LULZ)

    I mean, Trump said the wall is a good idea, so it's logical and the smartest thing ever. He said so, so it's true . He told you that he would force China at gunpoint to buy American stuff while barring China entry to the US market, so it's logical.
    I was basing 'liberals want to kill everyone that disagrees with them' not just from personal experience, but the sheer number of death threats made to Trump and his supporters. For a liberal its normal to threaten someones life for having a different political stand point.
    What you have to realise, if you understand logic, you assume you can rationalise your argument so you dont have to resort to death threats to win over people. And thats why TRUMP supporters do not threaten to kill bernie sanders, because they see his arguments make no sense, and so will be easy to to prove wrong by Trump

  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Athor View Post
    I was basing 'liberals want to kill everyone that disagrees with them' not just from personal experience, but the sheer number of death threats made to Trump and his supporters. For a liberal its normal to threaten someones life for having a different political stand point.
    What you have to realise, if you understand logic, you assume you can rationalise your argument so you dont have to resort to death threats to win over people. And thats why TRUMP supporters do not threaten to kill bernie sanders, because they see his arguments make no sense, and so will be easy to to prove wrong by Trump
    Once again, it's fun that you assume that Trump supporters are logical because they do what Trump says....People telling you that the wall is a stupid concept, by using arguments ? They are stoopid illogical wumin and beta cucks, LULZ ! But why they are illogical ?

    ''if you understand logic, you assume you can rationalise your argument '' means absolutely nothing. ''If you are able to read, you can read''
    Last edited by sarahtasher; 2016-05-11 at 11:51 AM.

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker76 View Post
    People supporting a person famous for exaggerating his income and wealth... are asked by an exit poll to self report their income.


    I guess making an imaginary $79K a year allows you to buy nice red hats made in China.
    His campaign gear is all made in the USA

  17. #57
    Donald trump has the best supporters. They're really quite terrific and there are really famous people, powerful people who always tell me how trump is the best. A lot of smart people say they support trump, if you knew who they were you would really be impressed, it is really to much. And that's why we need to tackle China on trade.

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by The Batman View Post
    Trump himself was sent to a Military Academy by his father.

    And you know what that means. He was a spoiled little shit head that his parents couldn't control, because he'd been spoiled by all that wealth. And that military academy certainly didn't do shit to educate him.

    You can send stupid kids to school, but you can't make them smart.
    Much bias, such lies, wow hatred.

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    If Trump supporters are better educated than the average American then this country is doomed more than I thought.

    I know its fun to support Trump but I couldn't imagine actually him to such a powerful position in one of the most powerful countries in the world when things like expanding libel laws (legally restricting free speech) are the top of his agenda list.

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    *Trump supporters in the primary.

    I wonder how this compares to Democratic voters in the primary. They also only measured college degree. What about post-graduate? That's the real measurement of education level.

    In general elections, the Republicans haven't won the post-graduate vote since the 1980's. I be pretty surprised if that changed this year. Especially since the Republican nominee thinks global warming is a hoax invented by the Chinese.
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