Aliens!

[Vash The Stampede]

What do you mean life doesn't agree with the Second Law of Thermodynamics? What's supposed to be the conflict there?

Lack of order or predictability with gradual decline into disorder. Second law says that entropy is the natural tendency of any isolated system to degenerate into a more disordered state. This happens to any system over time. Like a car that breaks down over time. One could argue that life on Earth is not a isolated system, which is why we don't have a decline or disorder. That also depends if the Sun Earth system breaks down but life leaves for another solar system. Or, maybe the solar system isn't an isolated system and receives energy from the entire environment like stated in the Electric Universe theory. Which is the idea that the Sun and all bodies in the universe are like giant electrical grounds that absorb surrounding electrical energy. The Sun isn't a giant nuclear furnace, but a giant electrical ball.

Whatever the case is, life maybe where you find energy. Systems just automatically establish themselves once energy is there.

[Revi]

Lack of order or predictability with gradual decline into disorder. Second law says that entropy is the natural tendency of any isolated system to degenerate into a more disordered state. This happens to any system over time. Like a car that breaks down over time. One could argue that life on Earth is not a isolated system, which is why we don't have a decline or disorder. That also depends if the Sun Earth system breaks down but life leaves for another solar system. Or, maybe the solar system isn't an isolated system and receives energy from the entire environment like stated in the Electric Universe theory. Which is the idea that the Sun and all bodies in the universe are like giant electrical grounds that absorb surrounding electrical energy. The Sun isn't a giant nuclear furnace, but a giant electrical ball.

Whatever the case is, life maybe where you find energy. Systems just automatically establish themselves once energy is there.

Arguing that life is not a closed system would be right. Neither is our solar system. The total of it is tending towards entropy, but there's no reason why parts within it can't be ordered.

Not sure what the last part means, but life certainly needs energy to exist. That doesn't mean that life is everywhere that energy is.

[Simulacrum]

Because at their tech level, a simple cloaking device is as easy to make as for us to cook chicken.

And they'd cloak their entire civilization? Just to make the crackpot conspiracy theorists on earth look crazy? And not a single entity in the entire galaxy would disagree with the collective enough to contact us - or just fuck with us - anyway, out of trillions upon trillions of them with trivial access to such incredible technologies? Or is that where the government covering it all up comes in?

[Vash The Stampede]

Not sure what the last part means, but life certainly needs energy to exist. That doesn't mean that life is everywhere that energy is.

We don't know that for sure. Extremophiles on Earth have shown that Life is not picky. For all we know, there's giant whale type creatures in Jupiter.

[haxartus]

If so, do you think we are ready to be visited by them?

Our behavior is so destructive that it's likely that we won't exist at all in a 1000 years, there is no point in establishing any diplomatic connections whatsoever.
I'd imagine that there is a protocol for establishing contact only with long term stable civilizations, because a contact with an unstable civilization might actually push it into chaos and speed up it's ending.

[Annoying]

Arguing that life is not a closed system would be right. Neither is our solar system. The total of it is tending towards entropy, but there's no reason why parts within it can't be ordered.

Not sure what the last part means, but life certainly needs energy to exist. That doesn't mean that life is everywhere that energy is.

John Avery puts it well: "The (apparent) paradox between the second law of thermodynamics and the high degree of order and complexity produced by living systems has its resolution in the information content of the Gibbs free energy that enters the biosphere from outside sources." We take from our environment and feed off the disorder that comes from that. We increase our internal order while decreasing the order of everything else by an equal or greater magnitude.

Or more simply, we create more entropy on our surrounding environment than is lost by keeping ourselves ordered.

[SlayAllDay]

So that means they'd have to close all those political threads.

Sooooooo true lol those are all mostly conspiracies (but the sheeple don't see it that way) since they believe anything

[Kuja]

Do I believe in little grey men and they visiting Earth? Nope. But I don't judge people who claim to have seen them. But so far no one has proof of their claims

But I do believe there's crazy stuff out there and each galaxy should have/had tons of bacterial life, which also is life, as we too were once but microbes Unless you believe in that Adam and Eve story instead.

I believe even Mars was once like Earth. And if it had water on it (Which is proven now) and atmosphere, then those were ideal conditions for life there as well. And that's our neighbour! What about the other 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets in the universe?

[SlayAllDay]

because they're aliens, not americans

lol well said, it's not like everything in the universe is going to do the same things we do

[Sky High]

If we exist then mathematically there has to be some intelligent life out there somewhere. Do I think we have been visited by aliens yet? No, simply because Independence Day tells me that if they are out there then fuck we should avoid them.

[Holas]

This reminds me of the mystery around KIC 8462852.

Astronomers floated the idea that the star could be surrounded by some sort of huge alien structure. While that's unlikely, scientists are still having a hard time coming up with a good explanation for the star's strange behavior.

Every so often, the star's light dims by as much as 20 percent.

A star flux can be dimmed by almost 100% by ~jupiter size planet. Nothing really exciting. This kepler star lightcurve is not so much different from other found star lightcurves. A "giant alien structure" explanation is almost as bad as explaining stuff you are not 100% sure of with "god made it".

[zorkuus]

A star flux can be dimmed by almost 100% by ~jupiter size planet. Nothing really exciting. This kepler star lightcurve is not so much different from other found star lightcurves. A "giant alien structure" explanation is almost as bad as explaining stuff you are not 100% sure of with "god made it".

Aha! Prove it isn't true! Checkmate.