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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    And honestly, if someone got tired of his schtick and snagged Torb before he could, and Fuey threw a fit and wouldn't play, then he deserves all the ban for that kind of nonsense.

    It's one thing to heavily prefer a hero and focus on them. It's another to fuck over your team because you didn't get your way.
    he'd have been fucking his team over because he wasn't getting his way even if he did pick torb and no one went out of their way to support him because everyone else wanted to play a different team comp

    also how to get sombra potg: hack & kill bastion & mercy rofl

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    Ended the horrible weekend on a win streak to get back over 2700. First game of Monday night, literally a guy on Doomfist jumping off the map repeatedly as we get steamrolled.

    WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS GAME?!?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelimbror View Post
    Ended the horrible weekend on a win streak to get back over 2700. First game of Monday night, literally a guy on Doomfist jumping off the map repeatedly as we get steamrolled.

    WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS GAME?!?!?

    Shortly, the matchmaker is at odds with the game itself. Swapping heroes mid round is the biggest core mechanic to OW, completely different from other games and thats what sets it apart. But personal SR rewards NOT swapping. This tilts people to jump off maps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Museigen View Post
    Shortly, the matchmaker is at odds with the game itself. Swapping heroes mid round is the biggest core mechanic to OW, completely different from other games and thats what sets it apart. But personal SR rewards NOT swapping. This tilts people to jump off maps.
    Being an asshole who cant control their emotional state like an adult is what causes people to tilt. Any thing else is just an excuse to cover bad behavior.
    Last edited by DeadmanWalking; 2017-11-14 at 01:18 AM.
    If you push a button that finds you a 'random group' and it gives you a random group of people with random skill and random knowledge then you have no right to complain that a 'random group' button did what it was designed to do. The fault lies in your inability to make friends to play with instead of relying on a button designed to be random. It is a 'random group' button, not a 'best of the best' button.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    Being an asshole who cant control their emotional state like an adult is what causes people to tilt. Any thing else is just an excuse tocover bad behavior.
    True story.
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    Watch this video from RagTag on the banning of fuey the Torb one trick, it pretty much speaks my thoughts on the entire issue. I don't agree with one tricks who don't switch off when requested but the way Blizz went about this is going to cause them and us a lot more problems in the end. Watch it all the way through as he hits on a lot of points of which I feel are all valid.

    If you push a button that finds you a 'random group' and it gives you a random group of people with random skill and random knowledge then you have no right to complain that a 'random group' button did what it was designed to do. The fault lies in your inability to make friends to play with instead of relying on a button designed to be random. It is a 'random group' button, not a 'best of the best' button.

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    Pretty lame right now.

    Struggling to enjoy it so I'm giving it a few days. Had an evening of "I really wanna try playing more Winston and Orisa" but having to fill healer because nobody else would.

    I don't usually mind, I enjoy every healer in the game right now but the one night this week where I had a real goal and focus and I get stubborn, uncooperative team-mates who are dead silent when I'm asking if they mind if I play tank but loud as a fog-horn if I don't res them. I can't bring myself to be that guy who just picks what he wants, I'd rather fill to win but apparently even that wasn't enough to help the grown-up children I ended up getting queued with.

    Dropped to below 2600. I was at 2900 last season, half my placements had leavers and throwers and the other half went alright, but alas only 2 were wins, 2 were draws and 1 was a loss so I placed 2650 (From ~2880) and have gradually been falling.

    It sucks hard to see hard work get rewarded and then to have it taken away because of bad luck and uncooperative people.
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    I've only had 2 legitimate losses out of 10 games, most of which have been losses. Literally all the others have at MINIMUM one person who throws by picking a sub par character, no one saying anything to them, then they just don't do anything on purpose while typing bullshit in chat. I've reported more people per game tonight than the entire history of the game. It's just escalating at this point. Why do any of us even play anymore?
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    When you see 5 people ahead are dead and tell the team as Lucio, "Let's group up." and you stop and Rheinhart runs by you, around the corner and down the steps to the temple control point and dies, then tracer runs by and dies, then Mercy runs by you and dies and you are like, "What the fuck is wrong with you?"
    If you push a button that finds you a 'random group' and it gives you a random group of people with random skill and random knowledge then you have no right to complain that a 'random group' button did what it was designed to do. The fault lies in your inability to make friends to play with instead of relying on a button designed to be random. It is a 'random group' button, not a 'best of the best' button.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelimbror View Post
    I've only had 2 legitimate losses out of 10 games, most of which have been losses. Literally all the others have at MINIMUM one person who throws by picking a sub par character, no one saying anything to them, then they just don't do anything on purpose while typing bullshit in chat. I've reported more people per game tonight than the entire history of the game. It's just escalating at this point. Why do any of us even play anymore?
    I think people are just fed up with matchmaking. I know that I am.

    It's like, your team is fighting at the point and you kill 3 people with deadeye but can't solo a Roadhog before they kill you after the damage you've taken leaving you near death and half your team is now chasing a Genji around the map ignoring the objective and the other 2 people on your team just insta died to spamrat's Megaskill 360 No Scope Swag Rekter so you're just kind of sitting there like wow what the actual fuck?

    But one of your other dps actually comes back and chunks junkrat's shit before he can even touch the ground so you're like "yeah ok awesome fuck yeah that's what i'm talking about LEZ GET DIS POINT BOIYEEEE" and jump down thinking, no I take that back - assuming, with the help they're obviously going to give you because they're playing competitive because they want to win and that's why we're all playing comp and capturing the point is how you win the game, the two of you will make quick work of this roadhog but they just run the other way because they don't want to risk tarnishing their K/D trying to fight him so you just end up charging his ult with his heal and your death

    you know how it is when you're so mad that you're calm? just stared at the screen waiting to explode with rage watching this fat motherfucker that shouldn't be able to walk faster than the speed of smell jump and dance all over the point by himself uncontested eating his fucking senzu twinkie while the retard olympics are taking place between our genji and enemy genji, just said "Ok, wowwwww" got up out of my chair and took my dog to the park.

    Didn't play the game again until I fell off my Fallout 4 survival mode binge.
    Last edited by Gandrake; 2017-11-14 at 06:48 AM.

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    I think Blizz handled the Fuey thing badly, but it’s more down to underestimating the cheerleaders for a guy who’s income depends on his OTP gimmick play style.

    Realistically there are a tiny number of true OTPs like Fuey, fewer still at ranks where the player pool is so small that enough players will even notice to start reporting them regularly.

    It’ll pass if Mercy’s nerf goes live tonight and that becomes the new shit storm. And what a shit storm it’ll be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelimbror View Post
    I've only had 2 legitimate losses out of 10 games, most of which have been losses. Literally all the others have at MINIMUM one person who throws by picking a sub par character, no one saying anything to them, then they just don't do anything on purpose while typing bullshit in chat. I've reported more people per game tonight than the entire history of the game. It's just escalating at this point. Why do any of us even play anymore?
    Play with friends honestly, the games unplayable in almost all of its aspects, its hard to carry 5 people even if you're Master rank. For me its worth not playing the game until I can at minimum 2 stack.

    I've had great success playing Phara with my friend pocketing me on Mercy, managed to place just below Diamond which was nice, saves me farming through crap.

    Edit: What I should have added is that this is my experience from a limited time investment, if you can pour hundreds of games into a season just do that and grind, like any ranked system if you throw your face at it hard enough you should climb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    It’ll pass if Mercy’s nerf goes live tonight and that becomes the new shit storm. And what a shit storm it’ll be.
    It's another typical "overkill" nerf on Blizzard's part.

    yes, resurrect is the strongest ability in the game. That's why it was fine as an ultimate. I still don't understand the argument of "It felt bad to combo your ults and have a Mercy undo it"
    Well, gee, maybe that's the team's fault for blowing your ults knowing they had a Mercy. I don't see Zenyatta or Lucio getting any rage for being able to prevent ultimate kills. I mean, I healed through 3 ults with Zen's ult before. Why isn't that nerfed then?

    Now though? You need to be ON the person's corpse, takes almost 2 seconds to cast, you can be interrupted, AND you're slowed by 75%? That's ridiculous.

    You're already confined to a small area to cast in, why the hell is the slow needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    Well, gee, maybe that's the team's fault for blowing your ults knowing they had a Mercy. I don't see Zenyatta or Lucio getting any rage for being able to prevent ultimate kills. I mean, I healed through 3 ults with Zen's ult before. Why isn't that nerfed then?
    For one, Zenyatta's ult only protects against damage-over-time ultimates. Any ultimate that does enough damage to kill right out doesn't get blocked by Zen.
    For two, it's preventative, rather than reversal. When Zen pops over a Soldier ult, he's preventing that Soldier from getting kills. With Mercy, that Soldier kills your team, and then Mercy just says "nah" and rezzes everyone (speaking of the original rez). That feels "worse", because you didn't so much get countered as the enemy team got a do-over.

    TBH, if I had my druthers, I'd increase the range on rez, possibly make it work through walls, and have the player rez at Mercy's location, not where they died. BUT, remove the bonus rez from her ultimate and possibly increase the timer slightly, to 40-45s between resurrects. The short range and the slow just feel abusive; I'd rather the rez were flexible and strong, and just more rare to counteract that, so Mercy wants to hold it for critical players rather than popping it basically on CD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    For one, Zenyatta's ult only protects against damage-over-time ultimates. Any ultimate that does enough damage to kill right out doesn't get blocked by Zen.
    For two, it's preventative, rather than reversal. When Zen pops over a Soldier ult, he's preventing that Soldier from getting kills. With Mercy, that Soldier kills your team, and then Mercy just says "nah" and rezzes everyone (speaking of the original rez). That feels "worse", because you didn't so much get countered as the enemy team got a do-over.

    TBH, if I had my druthers, I'd increase the range on rez, possibly make it work through walls, and have the player rez at Mercy's location, not where they died. BUT, remove the bonus rez from her ultimate and possibly increase the timer slightly, to 40-45s between resurrects. The short range and the slow just feel abusive; I'd rather the rez were flexible and strong, and just more rare to counteract that, so Mercy wants to hold it for critical players rather than popping it basically on CD.
    But that's my issue with balancing in this game.

    It's based off of "feels" rather than "this is actually important". I mean, Roadhog was borderline useless for the longest time because it "felt bad" to be killed by him, despite it being fully a positioning issue. (Hell, I still run into people who think "Mercy's healing me, that means I can run back out into open fire!").

    I also don't think it's exactly fair to be say one is fine because it's preventative rather than reversal. The reversal also comes with a fatal flaw itself, and that's that Mercy can be killed first, especially with the amount of flankers we have. People were too focused on "Oh but Mercy can just hide" rather than "Genji/Tracer can instantly gib her now basically because she's alone". Or heck, maybe instead of Graviton Surge into a team wipe, save the ult until after Mercy rezzing the team, and then wipe them again. Now, the Mercy wasted her ult, and you just helped your team get more ult by being able to wipe their team out again.

    I mean, Mercy went from being "it feels bad" to "SHE MUST BE IN EVERY GAME NOW". It was a horrible attempt to balance something that wasn't really needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    But that's my issue with balancing in this game.

    It's based off of "feels" rather than "this is actually important". I mean, Roadhog was borderline useless for the longest time because it "felt bad" to be killed by him, despite it being fully a positioning issue. (Hell, I still run into people who think "Mercy's healing me, that means I can run back out into open fire!").

    I also don't think it's exactly fair to be say one is fine because it's preventative rather than reversal. The reversal also comes with a fatal flaw itself, and that's that Mercy can be killed first, especially with the amount of flankers we have. People were too focused on "Oh but Mercy can just hide" rather than "Genji/Tracer can instantly gib her now basically because she's alone". Or heck, maybe instead of Graviton Surge into a team wipe, save the ult until after Mercy rezzing the team, and then wipe them again. Now, the Mercy wasted her ult, and you just helped your team get more ult by being able to wipe their team out again.

    I mean, Mercy went from being "it feels bad" to "SHE MUST BE IN EVERY GAME NOW". It was a horrible attempt to balance something that wasn't really needed.
    Eh, I think they needed to kill the "hide from the teamfight so you can get the glorious 5-man rez" thing. They just balanced the change poorly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Eh, I think they needed to kill the "hide from the teamfight so you can get the glorious 5-man rez" thing. They just balanced the change poorly.
    I just don't see it as any differently than other strategies.

    You're entering a team fight 5v6 down a healer to have the Mercy hide, it's already running a risk there, one that the other team can screw you over with by sending one person to go find the Mercy. That's still far better than what currently happens, and now what's going to happen with Mercy just being a dead pick.

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    What an absolutely awful night. 6-6 and gain 47SR but every match was atrociously balanced. Again, it's the premades with massive variance in their SR make up that absolutely ruin it. They have to do something by now, surely?

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    Had a ridiculous run of teammates for my placement games, no leavers/trolls but just failing to take advantage of anything that happened, went 0-10, got ~2100.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattrik View Post
    Had a ridiculous run of teammates for my placement games, no leavers/trolls but just failing to take advantage of anything that happened, went 0-10, got ~2100.
    Well, not sure about you, but I'd consider that a good run. Placements games do not have a ~huge impact on your SR anyway, but at least you didn't seem to have toxic teammates.
    If you have to attack a person instead of what they're saying, then you've already lost the argument.

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