Believe in biology? Canada will jail you for 2+ years 4 transphobia

[Granyala]

Reality isn't that simple. Nor is it a scientific view.

Don't try to make a simple nature given thing into a complex debate.

The human race only has 2 genders which are determined by your DNA.

Everything beyond that are constructs of the mind or society, not physical limitations of any sort.

[Bollocks]

In modern day where mere disapproval of a lifestyle is deemed 'hatred' and 'insulting' it basically means that you have to abandon or silence your personal beliefs in order to be found within the law in that regard.

That maybe a first world shit exclusive to the USA or similar countries, but in the rest of the world we have these laws to protect people and those who try to exploit them, they are just ignored and mock from. They may cause some controversy at first, but at the end nothing happens.

[Garnier Fructis]

Don't try to make a simple nature given thing into a complex debate.

The human race only has 2 genders which are determined by your DNA.

Everything beyond that are constructs of the mind or society, not physical limitations of any sort.

It's like neuroscience doesn't even exist in your world.

[monkmastaeq]

I'm a giraffe, I dont need therapy , I need surgery to extend my neck so i can reach the good leaves at the top of the tree.

OT -Way to suck canada.

[spinner981]

Eh its not that simple, a lot of people who are transgender are born believing they are the other gender.

Just because a young boy says "Look, I'm a girl!" doesn't mean they are a girl any more than then saying "Look, I'm a dog!" doesn't make them a dog.

It's like neuroscience doesn't even exist in your world.

It does, and because it does, we can identify this 'transgenderism' as a mental disorder called gender dysphoria.

[Granyala]

Eh its not that simple, a lot of people who are transgender are born believing they are the other gender.

As I said: deal with these psychological issues.

A healthy young boy doesn't suddenly believe that he is a girl.
Typically there are root causes that result in this behavior/belief.

Trying to get acceptance from a parent that was dead set on getting a child of the opposite sex is just one example that can result in such an identity crisis.

[SodiumChloride]

No you should not, because words have power.
Look at how they can be twisted in the case of mis-representing various ideals in religions.
What you say is you have a right to be a jerk, and nobody should have that right.
Free speech should protect honest speech.
And there is nothing honest about hate speech, simply fearmongering and bias.

Words incite violence too.

See ... here is the thing. Who is to say what is "mis-representing various ideals"? Who will make that judgment?

The only kind of speech that should be criminalized is shouting fire in a crowded theater when there isn't one.

Everything else we already have tort laws to handle.

Incite violence? So we shouldn't revolt and dispose of unjust rulers?

[Deleted]

That maybe a first world shit exclusive to the USA or similar countries, but in the rest of the world we have these laws to protect people and those who try to exploit them, they are just ignored and mock from. They may cause some controversy at first, but at the end nothing happens.

Laws without support in the norm are meaningless. They don't protect anyone.

[nonameelf]

Don't try to make a simple nature given thing into a complex debate.

The human race only has 2 genders which are determined by your DNA.

Everything beyond that are constructs of the mind or society, not physical limitations of any sort.

But it doesn't. What about people with XXX or XXY or XYY? They don't fit nicely in your XX or XY do they?

[Fencers]

But you agree that only hurting someone's feelings without any violent implications should be legal?

No.

That's not free speech then.

One is free to express themselves without harming others.

As a US resident, I see people verbally harassing and 'assaulting' people in public all the time, but just because one person calls another some curse word or even racial slur doesn't mean that they should go to prison.

Report it! Say something to the verbal aggressor(s)! Seek the law or representatives of public service!

Where I live there is a campaign among public transport called, "If it's unwanted, it's harassment!". These posters are everywhere and people are increasingly taking advantage of the more strict policy in Chicago.

The other week a news story in the paper reported multiple women reported a guy who was behaving inappropriately on trains in the early morning. Another news story was on a group of onlookers coming to the defense of a Muslim woman being shouted at from the opposing platform by yelling for the aggressors to stop and seeking the transits authority, etc, etc.

You can think what you want and say what you want as long as it does not harm, discriminate or denigrate others in most US states. Canada law seems to uphold the same value of personal security and freedom from harassment.

Any law that operates by arbitrarily defining its own meaning on a per case basis to allow for maximum targeting of only groups and opinions of which it disapproves of isn't going to respond to sound, well reasoned and prepared arguments.

According to what I could find on Canadian laws of harassment and verbal abuse- they are pretty clear on what falls as a violation of another person's security and well being.

All law is arbitrary- people make it up based on how we think we should live and behave. Law does not come from sacred mountain top, nor was penned irrefutably by some old dudes with quill pens or stone tablets.

Law changes all the times- as times change, as social conventions change, etc, etc.

[Bollocks]

Don't try to make a simple nature given thing into a complex debate.

The human race only has 2 genders which are determined by your DNA.

Everything beyond that are constructs of the mind or society, not physical limitations of any sort.

Yeah and some people are born beleiving they were born the wrong gender. That is a biological condition. What do you do with those people?

[Eliseus]

What a world we live in where 4% of the population dictates what the rest of us can say and do.

Exactly. It's mind boggling that to prevent feelings being hurt by such a minor amount of people they will turn things upside down. Essentially what has happened is government officials have gotten into positions and know someone in said group of people, therefore the laws should change.

[PC2]

No.

You're definitely an authoritarian, you should be ashamed of yourself.

[spinner981]

The fact that more than xy and xx exist. Also the fact that more than just those 2 chromosomes affect what sex someone is. There's a whole lot more to genetics than just xx and xy.

Ya, and they are called disorders.

[Bollocks]

As I said: deal with these psychological issues.

A healthy young boy doesn't suddenly believe that he is a girl.
Typically there are root causes that result in this behavior/belief.

Trying to get acceptance from a parent that was dead set on getting a child of the opposite sex is just one example that can result in such an identity crisis.

No its a biological condition, peopel being born with lack of testosterone or excess of estrogeno, they believe they are born in the wrong gender or have strong tendencies to shift to acquire those types of traits.

[Granyala]

It's like neuroscience doesn't even exist in your world.

You wouldn't believe how much BS science papers exist just so people can somehow "prove their view".

While the brain certainly is a mystery to is in many ways, I think it is easier to search for the causes of "gender crisis" in the psychological domain rather than trying to create some "scientific evidence" that some people are hardwired to believe that they are born in the wrong body.

I'm not saying that such a condition cannot theoretically exist, but I am reasonably sure that this isn't applicable most of the transgender population.

[Endus]

Since this is just a gender identity thread, locking this here.