Should Saudi Arabia be on the U.N. Human Rights Council?

[Lucky Fable]

Gut instinct says no but I don't know what is rumor and what is fact about them.

[Deleted]

No.

They should however be no 1 on the "places to smash to bolivian" list

[Low Hanging Fruit]

I don't thank many countries have the justification to be on the Human Rights Council. But I guess we have to have one so we can have a group of people sitting around talking about what to do about people abusing human rights. When really.. if you think about it.. the only way to enforce human rights for most is to take it from a few. But we are talking about the UN here. So all it really will be is a money drop, a published paper, and no fucks given a few months later. Such a useless organization.

[Adam Jensen]

Of course, that excludes the USA.

Uh . . . go us . . .?

*waves flag*

[Hooked]

Saudi arabia could be the leader of the UN for all I care. We need to get out of the UN ASAP. Its global communism and totally un-American. Get out of the UN and kick them out of the USA.

[Bushtuckrman]

They are the head of the human rights council
And no lol they should not even be considered for that but they bribed countries for votes. Britain got caught out I think it was $22 mil in bribes iirc

edit: Of course it is great to shut down any pro UN argument but the reality is the fact that it is absolutely appalling they are given this title and are given sway to any course of discussion involving human rights. This is why I simply disregard anything the UN says that does not conform to my confirmation bias

[shadowmouse]

They can and should be, because if the whole council is a circle jerk of similar opinions there isn't going to be any chance of things improving. There are things in the international setting that come down to differences among cultures, look at how some view firearms ownership in the US or our stance on the death penalty (not to mention a host of other matters).

Like it or not, Islam is widely practiced and that has an impact on people in quite a few countries.

[Stormdash]

Saudi Arabia is a member of the UN Human Rights Council and has also headed a number of U.N. Committees on Human Rights during the past year.

As citizens of United Nations member states, do you think they should be on the council? Why or why not?

No, they should not. It is not the first, last, or least ways in which the existence and influence of the OIC within the UN basically undermines and discredits any once-intended purpose to the body. Could disband the UN tomorrow and I wouldn't blink.

[Ghostpanther]

Nope. And we should not be trading with them and considering them allies.

[Ghostpanther]

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I too am keen to see the downfall of America as a world power.

Then I can understand why you would not want Trump to be elected.

[satimy]

Yes they should, because it just further proves that the un is worthless and a waste of our time and money

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As useless as the UN is the fact they have Britain on the council means pretty much anyone is qualified

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I too am keen to see the downfall of America as a world power.

The us could literally conquer the world, enslave everyone if we wanted. Some wimpy group of globalists isn't doing anything but costing us money?

[Deleted]

Should you use a pack of wolves instead of your shepherd-dog?

Same kind of question.

The us could literally conquer the world, enslave everyone if we wanted. Some wimpy group of globalists isn't doing anything but costing us money?

And how would the US pay for it?
You couldn't even defeat the Vietcong and you want to win a guerilla war on a global scale?

[Quien Soy Yo]

Like it or not, Islam is widely practiced and that has an impact on people in quite a few countries.

You mean the delightfully Orwellian unelected monarchies that threaten their citizens with murder, imprisonment, torture, loss of citizenship? That they care what is considered Islamically or culturally acceptable?

[satimy]

Should you use a pack of wolves instead of your shepherd-dog?

Same kind of question.


And how would the US pay for it?
You couldn't even defeat the Vietcong and you want to win a guerilla war on a global scale?

We didn't fight Vietnam as conquerors

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Hahaha You could literally bankrupt your country trying you mean.

we havnt went bankrupt yet

[Vizardlorde]

There is also Cuba; in some regards, it is worse than both.

Cuba isnt comparable with saudi arabia... Cubans are poor people in a poor country with limited speech cut off from the western world. It closer to best korea but without work camps or nukes.

[Hif]

It should be noted that most countries do not even meet the requirements of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Europe actively violates the fundemental freedom of religion. The US has issues of racial discrimination.

If one was to use the Universal Declaration as a bench mark no single country would ever sit on the Human Rights Council.

Also remember the concept of the Human Rights Council was actively supported by the US when the EU proposed it.

[Krawu]

Yup, and their place should be in front of everyone else, explaining themselves.

All jokes aside, I think any UN member state that wants a seat on it should be afforded one. But if Saudi Arabia wants to be there, they should'n act all outraged if the others tell them how shit their human rights record is.

[Mayhem]

The devil's advocate position is that the role of the UN is not to push all member nations to compete to be the most progressive nations in the membership, and that all voices are important, even national views we, in other countries, might disagree with.

That said, I also feel that the UN should have a policy of establishing standards through treaty documents like the ICESCR and ICCPR, and requiring that member states abide by all principles identified in those treaties, and if any don't, they're excluded from membership in UN panels entirely. At least to a certain number of the treaties, minus perhaps some of the optional ones; let's say any of the light blue/blue countries as listed by the UN here, on having ratified at least 10 of the extant 18 such treaties;

A reasonable approach.

http://indicators.ohchr.org/

Of course, that excludes the USA.

What the fuck?! The US has less treaties ratified than saudi arabia?

[Deleted]

We didn't fight Vietnam as conquerors

Yeah, I know, you always see yourself as liberators.

Just let me do some math.
There is about 300 million yankees and ther are 7,4 billion people on the planet overall.
That means each american has to deal with 23 people. And no, they won't line up in front of your gun.

[satimy]

Yeah, I know, you always see yourself as liberators.

Just let me do some math.
There is about 300 million yankees and ther are 7,4 billion people on the planet overall.
That means each american has to deal with 23 people. And no, they won't line up in front of your gun.

The worlds navy is smaller than our navy, we win.