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    Boomkin help on Manny/archy mythic D:

    Im literally at the bottom of the dps charts. my gear is optimized and everything. upgraded and all. got heroic Seed and mythic DSI. still missing shoulders to complete 4 set mythic overall, got the neck last night from xhul to complete mostly what i needed from upper. now the real question is. How to optimize dps on the fights. for archi i do pretty well. its not that much of a movement fight but for manny mythic is alot. does anyone have any tips and tricks for both fights? would really appreciate it. trinkets would be a plus! i got them all mythic. THANKS GUYS!

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    so, logs would help, so we can see what you're doing in manno (and archi, also lets us check numbers against our own logs)

    as for the manno fight, i know myself and the other boomkin in our guild, juve, both don't like the fight that much. there are however a few tricks you can use, such as dancing on the edge of the fel patch at the beginning to fish for an owlkin frenzy proc for a free extra instant starfire for your opener.

    besides from that there isnt exactly anything special to do besides keep dotting up targets (my guild pretty much leaves the infernals to passive cleave, so dots + starfire from the boomies deals with them) and just keep trying to single target. - we pack warriors and warlocks for the burst on imps, so we dont generally get much damage on them.

    asides from that, generally its a fight where both me and juve do around 105-110k dps - take from that what you will, but without log comparisons i cna help much more.

    archi it does depend when your group used bloodlust, 2nd potion and various other things, but generally its dot up the ads and cleave them with starfire, then single target archi/doomfire (only the second one - even then we only get a max of 1 SS and 2 starfires on it) then single target infernals in the nether when they spawn. archi really isnt much of a specialised fight in my opinion of doing it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleman View Post
    so, logs would help, so we can see what you're doing in manno (and archi, also lets us check numbers against our own logs)

    as for the manno fight, i know myself and the other boomkin in our guild, juve, both don't like the fight that much. there are however a few tricks you can use, such as dancing on the edge of the fel patch at the beginning to fish for an owlkin frenzy proc for a free extra instant starfire for your opener.

    besides from that there isnt exactly anything special to do besides keep dotting up targets (my guild pretty much leaves the infernals to passive cleave, so dots + starfire from the boomies deals with them) and just keep trying to single target. - we pack warriors and warlocks for the burst on imps, so we dont generally get much damage on them.

    asides from that, generally its a fight where both me and juve do around 105-110k dps - take from that what you will, but without log comparisons i cna help much more.

    archi it does depend when your group used bloodlust, 2nd potion and various other things, but generally its dot up the ads and cleave them with starfire, then single target archi/doomfire (only the second one - even then we only get a max of 1 SS and 2 starfires on it) then single target infernals in the nether when they spawn. archi really isnt much of a specialised fight in my opinion of doing it
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done

    Hopefully you can see the logs. or idk if it might ask you for permission to see them. but those are it. If you find anything wrong. please do tell me. i want to maximize my performance. could it be the heroic off-hand? the Mythic wf gloves i got? anything would help. maybe rotation is wrong? i usually open with starsurge inc+CA+ berzerk since im troll and apply my double dots and re-dot before it goes out. since manny adds die so quick(imps) i dont even bother. i focus on killing the infernals and keeping all of my dots up. so if im clearly doing anything wrong. please, im all up for criticism. Thanks in advance!

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    okay, so first thing i've noticed by looking at your logs, you dont use astral communion to put you in lunar for your first CDs. all it takes is a second or 2 of astrral communion, and boom, you get empower starfire.

    to go with this, if you unerstand and have the timer (my guild has a weakaura timer that activates when he's pulled to give us a pull timer for his spawn). this was you can get your standard opener (although slightly off) of inc at 1.5 before spawn, SS as soon as you can target him, then CA, berserking and dots all in the same GCD (macroing them all together helps i find, you can eke out 1 extra gcd for a SS in CA at the end as a troll). also, always use CA for the CGD after inc, inc is on the cgd, CA isnt, you get more casts that way - i notic in your second usage, you pop ca - the inc then berserking, try never to do this, again a macro helps putting berserking and ca together, and with moonfire if you want.

    also, if you do use astral communion to get into lunar for your first CDs, you can actualy refresh sunfire just as the first imps are gripped without losing any uptime on mannoroth, whilst also giving you a GCD where you can start moving for felseeker. follow this with a SS cast and then maybe another dot, and you've made it to the outer ring. - use empowerments when you get there a\nd dmore instant casts when you get in - be aware though that you may still have lunar empowerments, so you may just need to refresh your dots, even if they aren't in their pandemic threshhold.

    as some help to the other ranged casters in your raid, your first use of stampeding roar was at 3 minutes in, so you should be able to use roar to help the ranged run in to stack for the gaze aafter the first felseeker, also reduces the times you cant hard cast.

    You also seem to have a LOT of cancelled casts, which ads up to a big dps difference over the course of the fight. for a class that is so turrety, you really need to plan exactly where you need to be in advance so you can get there during SS casts and dot re-applications, losing hard casts hurts way too much.

    lastly, on entering into phase 3 you seem to have a perion of 20 seconds where you ONLY cast dots, even popping your CDs to do this. now i dont know exactly how your guild does it, but mine pulls manno over to the purple spire, and all ranged stack up behind him for this, so imps are still easy to burst. you've got bloodlust and your second potion active here, you NEED to be hardcsting on the boss - you can get all your CA duration before gaze so do hard casts... this lines with the ring, bloodlust, potion... it'll be a MASSIVE dps increase, if you can manage that with how your guild does it.

    now looking purely at casts. you seem to manage very few - probably on account of cancelling so many... your starfire casts only account for 13% of your total casts - mine 25% 50 casts along with my 20 second longer pull to your 21 casts. that is a LOT of damage you're missing. you're also high on dot casts, but i'll attribute a lot of this down to the phase where you start mass dotting in p3

    hope this helps somewhat, this fight is, to pardon my french, a bitch

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    Opener is for manno:
    pot right before pull, use astral communication for 1,6 secs (so that castbar shows 2,4-2,2 secs) or a little more.
    Use Inc 1.5-1.8 secs bevor manno spawns and start your normal opener. use a targetmakro here.
    on some imp spawns you can use sunfire and get a tick out of it, which can do good damage.
    Use more starfire then wrath, learn to antipate when you should only use starsurge in in solar, so not to overcap. otherwise use them im lunar.
    compare your lunar empowerement to your solar empowerement. 8 to 11. mine was like 25 to 15.
    also you didnt use a lot of starsurges. i used with similar gear 6,4 starsurges per minute.
    you only used 5,1 starsurges per minute.
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...asts&source=23 here are logs from similar progress times.
    learn when you can use which cast effectivly when you have to move. so you dont waste much time when you can stand still for hard casting. Plan ahead.

    maybe post a video of yours to find more mistakes.

    a recent archi kill.
    once you can kill him with only one doom spirit the fight doesnt change much.
    https://www.twitch.tv/seikusa/v/72071706
    Last edited by Seikusa; 2016-06-12 at 10:34 PM.

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    You can check my videos on mannoroth and archimonde mythic, I do have a tracker of all my abilities used on the bottom right of the screen. So you can see what I do and how I deal with abilities.

    Enjoy!
    PS: Those kills are like 5-6 months old.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY_8...un3o0NhP5RZtjc

    https://youtu.be/mmy8p5Fb7JU?list=PL...un3o0NhP5RZtjc

    Sometimes it's easier to have a visual reference!

    * * * * * Quick keys to succes as a boomkin is know where to stand and maximise your cast of starfire and sunfire.
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    Google Soapbox Rotations. It will change your DPS life forever.

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    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...test#boss=1795
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...test#boss=1799

    Pick any of his logs and just look at what he does. He's a boomking.
    Very high percentiles despite playing in sub-par guilds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sliddqvist View Post
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...test#boss=1795
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...test#boss=1799

    Pick any of his logs and just look at what he does. He's a boomking.
    Very high percentiles despite playing in sub-par guilds.
    I think players that arent that strong arent normaly strong in analysing parses in a way that will improve their playstyle. thats why they are asking for analyses.
    And high dps doesnt always mean they are playing to the advantage of their raids.

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    At the end of the story, high dps or not, if the boss is dead thats what you want to achieve.

    On the other hand, ranking is easily achieved with a guild who wants to tune up the raid composition for speed kills. So ranking isnt a good measurement to know if the player is good or not. What matters, is how you react to the boss abilities to stay alive and progress further with ur team.

    No matter what you think, ranking high percentile is stupid easy to achieve and it doesn't show any skills because all you do is you push the right buttons for 30-45 secs and get the good procs.

    If you want to become better, record urself playing and analyse every situation and compare it to a player who actually do the fight right, same lenght of the fight, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sliddqvist View Post
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...test#boss=1795
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...test#boss=1799

    Pick any of his logs and just look at what he does. He's a boomking.
    Very high percentiles despite playing in sub-par guilds.
    gave me a chuckle

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrShroud View Post
    Google Soapbox Rotations. It will change your DPS life forever.
    Changing your dps life as in, you get caught up in another Blizzard ban wave? Are we advertising botting on this forum now? I guess you're back from your ban. I once knew a guy like you, he obnoxiously talked smack and posted Recount after every pull. Then it was discovered he was botting and got banned, People like you ruin games and don't last.
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