So i tried retri on ptr and fu***** sucks

[Morally Grey Storm]

Talent choices to matter...yeah right.
Do I choose a passive random proc, or a DPS negative talent, or do I choose /gkick talent.
Such matter
Wow

[Shelly]

How can it be not true if he's saying his opinion? That's like saying Gorge.W.Bush did 911 only for someone to say that it's not true or something like that. It's opinion, not fact. You don't need to use common sense for an opinion, it can be the worst opinion ever, and you'll still not want to argue or judge BECAUSE it's that persons opinion. :I Sorry if I'm sounding like a guy who acts over dramatic to stuff, i'm not that guy. I'm just a dude trying to spread reality and truth to people, while spreading positivity to other.

On topic, if you're unhappy with how Ret is playing on the PTR change your talents around.

Yes it's losing the casino-aspect of the class but it's gaining a lot of heavy think in the meantime. As said before wake of ashes changes the spec considerably and monitoring your judgment debuff is a hell of a lot more fun than the stupidity of maintaining an inquisition buff that literally made no sense and was just straight replaced by a passive mastery buff for WoD.

As for this quote, that is a fucking terrible example.

You can have opinions on things but if you're opinion is demonstrably false then it's a lie and you're just that jerk that's going "Well, to me it looks green and your opinion that it's red is just your opinion man."

I don't care if you're color-blind at that point you're being intentionally obtuse because you don't want to admit that you're wrong and are following a lie.

You're not spreading truth at all. You're trying to create a carebear world where no one is offended. That's just not a right we have, no one can remain unoffended, but people shouldn't be intentionally harassed.

Also if something is the opinion of someone else let them defend it. They don't need you coming in and trying to mend fences that don't matter.

[tangers58]

They just turned ret into a lame version of warriors. Particularly ironic since blizz kept saying "NO YOU CAN'T KEEP HAMMER OF WRATH, EXECUTES ARE A WARRIOR THING NAO"

[Pu3Ho]

Ret is dead in legion - simple as that. And any noob who tries to argue with that is either : Doesn't even know how to turn on Mythic raid OR raids in in top 400-1k+ shit guild were world is fucking different from reality.

[Morally Grey Storm]

Yes it's losing the casino-aspect of the class but it's gaining a lot of heavy think in the meantime.

"lot of heavy thinking" ?
Seriously? Are you deliberately spreading false info?

As said before wake of ashes changes the spec considerably

No.

monitoring your judgment debuff is a hell of a lot more fun than the stupidity of maintaining an inquisition buff

especially hell of a lot more fun when you need to hardswap but you can't stop funny monitoring your debuff on the target you jsut Colossus Judged.

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There are classes that needs to have a better rotations, ret paladin's is not one of those classes .

[Aerknard]

They just turned ret into a lame version of warriors. Particularly ironic since blizz kept saying "NO YOU CAN'T KEEP HAMMER OF WRATH, EXECUTES ARE A WARRIOR THING NAO"

Lame version of warrior + rogue combine mix and form rat... I mean ret while remove it from his brothers prot and holy.

There are classes that needs to have a better rotations, ret paladin's is not one of those classes .

I admit Ret paladin is one of those classes that have simple rotation. The payment is mobility, gapcloser, utility, defense, damage...(plz add anything i forget) while other class that have the same simple rotation doesn't have to pay for all of that.

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So let me get this straight.

People are complaining Retribution..... is a better Arms warrior?

Your rotation is a damnsight better.
Your damage is debatable, but from what I have seen much better.
You do fantastic cleave and your utility is amazing.

So people are complaining of having a Colossus smash window. Big deal, you now have something to actually manage in combat.

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I admit Ret paladin is one of those classes that have simple rotation. The payment is mobility, gapcloser, utility, defense, damage...(plz add anything i forget) while other class that have the same simple rotation doesn't have to pay for all of that.

Pretty sure Ret has fucking tons of those.

[Morally Grey Storm]

bzz themselves said Ret and UH DKs are to be low mobility specs this expansion.
Yet Ret is times and times below Uh mobility-wise.
Go figure.

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So let me get this straight.

People are complaining Retribution..... is a better Arms warrior?

not better.
Worse.
Infinitely worse, carbon copy of.

You do fantastic cleave and your utility is amazing.

what utility

Pretty sure Ret has fucking tons of those.

Then you are pretty wrong.

[Super Kami Dende]

I enjoy new Ret. It's not super amazing but it hasn't really been for a few years so it is still pretty much on par.

[Aerknard]

Pretty sure Ret has fucking tons of those.

My bad then, I should have add "while others have moar"

[8bithamster]

And here we see the wild rager. He is a poster that just hates any change to his spec, and will rage about it. Constructive? Never, because that is for the more stable players. Instead, these creatures just try to get their point across by screaming and throwing feces. A fine proof of how we are not that far away from our Simian ancestors.
Approach carefully, any attempt of trying to get something semi coherent out of them will make them rage even more. Sadly, being constructive is just physically impossible for these creatures.

[Cien]

I have been playing since tbc and this retri sucks, it is so bad that i won't be touching this class in legion.
Retri paladin was so awesome in wod, best version of all expansions.
Everything worked cool, it was fun to play,
Combat animation looked cool, gameplay was nice, why did you went with it to the toilet completely.
I wanted something new but this sucks balls.
My few cents.

the only thing i really dislike is how much of a huge difference the judgement debuff makes for damage, obviously its no longer aimless button mashing that most people can get away with now. i tried execution sentence and it just feels far too clunky with it costing holy power imo, i think i'd ever only use it with a divine purpose procc if i even talent that as well, though now that holy wrath has been buffed back again i'll take that for pvp <3

still, i love the look of it, it looks fabulous, befitting of my paladins future title! but the only big kick in the teeth for me is how kitable we are now, all it takes is a reasonably intelligent person to save their 'run awaaaay ability' when steed or hand of freedom is down and we are fooked. :/

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My bad then, I should have add "while others have moar"

I can't think of any other classes that can throw out Immunities, negate many game mechanics and provide those sick ass blessings.

Only others are Shaman and Druid really.

Where is the Warrior utility?

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not better.
Worse.
Infinitely worse, carbon copy of.


what utility

Then you are pretty wrong.

Let's see then, how to deconstruct the posts of a whiner.

1) Ret's damage is great outside of it's Colossus smash window, Arms is fucking pitiful, Ret also has a measure of buildup and reliable damage to deal in the frame of their colossus smash window, you can maximise damage because you will ALWAYS know your window.
2) Blessings, lay on hands, BoP, Healing.
3) see above

[Morally Grey Storm]

I enjoy new Ret. It's not super amazing but it hasn't really been for a few years so it is still pretty much on par.

so its a "meh" on par with other "mehs" ?

I am unsure if I would find joy in playing that.

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so its a "meh" on par with other "mehs" ?

I am unsure if I would find joy in playing that.

I can't recall any time when Ret wasn't "meh" Legion at least makes me think what buttons to press.

[Morally Grey Storm]

Let's see then, how to deconstruct the posts of a whiner.

here we see how a clueless one acts like he knows what he's talking about.
Keep going.
You might yet provide entertainment.

1) Ret's damage is great outside of it's Colossus smash window

there is no damage outside of it.
Literally, virtually.

Ret's damage is great outside of it's Colossus smash window, Arms is fucking pitiful,

couldn't xare less for warrior damage.
It's paladin sub-forum.
Warrios can go DIAF , I'd be buffed by it.
Retribution, yeah that's right.

2) Blessings, lay on hands, BoP, Healing.

what blessings?
You mean those 3 GBoMs ?
This doesn't qualify for "deconstruction of whiner", nor does it count for "fucking lot of utility"

Lay on Hands?
The one that is unexpectedly shared between all 3 Paladin specs?
Who cares?

BoP?
The one that is unexpectedly shared between all 3 Paladin specs?
Does it count for a "fucking lot of utility" ?
Doubtful.

Healing?
What healing?
3 hardcasted FoLs before oom?
Well I have to admit, you got me here.
This is indeed a fucking lot of utility.
I am so deconstructed not.

[Deleted]

Let's see then, how to deconstruct the posts of a whiner.

1) Ret's damage is great outside of it's Colossus smash window, Arms is fucking pitiful, Ret also has a measure of buildup and reliable damage to deal in the frame of their colossus smash window, you can maximise damage because you will ALWAYS know your window.
2) Blessings, lay on hands, BoP, Healing.
3) see above

Not sure if troll or serious...
But i did lol a bit at those things ret does no damage outside of window, ret has absolutely no utility and healing in legion is pretty much at 0
When i am bored i can always come to paladin forum and check some posts about ret from people like reghame or stuff like this one.
Tho reghame posts are infinitely more ridiculous and "wtf?" worthy, so you will have to try a bit harder

[Morally Grey Storm]

I can't recall any time when Ret wasn't "meh" Legion at least makes me think what buttons to press.

you can mash buttons anyhow you like as Legion Ret and still do ok damage.

Saying Legion Ret is hard as Rocket Sciene and tough as nails is somewhat untrue.
It's simple, dumbed down, yet clunky as feth and plainly boring.
Press that "W" button like you mean it, chap.

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Not sure if troll or serious...
But i did lol a bit at those things
When i am bored i can always come to paladin forum and check some posts about ret from people like reghame or stuff like this one.
Tho reghame posts are infinitely more ridiculous and "wtf?" worthy, so you will have to try a bit harder

well he is trying hard, I will have to give him that.
Mildly baffling at least.
Not Reghoime-level just yet, but boy shows promise.

[Aerknard]

I can't think of any other classes that can throw out Immunities, negate many game mechanics and provide those sick ass blessings.

Only others are Shaman and Druid really.

Where is the Warrior utility?

If u ask for utility, holy as an example can do much better including immunities and negation especially prot. Ret is a support dps as stated by blizzard.
My pov is in rate pvp. I rarely raid and even in raid I must beg my guildmaster to add me in party. I don't know about your experience in Ret. But that's mine. The most common thing i remember when i form a party while rate pvp, and my guildmaster remind me again "we don't need ret, plz go holy or prot". Ret is DPS, with a bit support, if we can't even bring what we should do, than ret support is almost nothing.
That's what they say to me too.