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  1. #1521
    Quote Originally Posted by Kncvasdlsfui View Post
    Blizzard didn't want to put the wrathguard glyph in the game because they couldn't figure out a way to make a dual wielding demon do the same amount of damage as a two-handed demon. Eventually they decided to put it in anyway without trying to fix it so it just does less damage. Also its cleave doesn't always hit things because of hitbox issues.

    If anything I'm impressed they took the effort to actually put it in the game somewhere.
    Wait so are we saying that changing your felguard to a wrathguard will actually net you less DPS?

  2. #1522
    Quote Originally Posted by Vexos View Post
    Wait so are we saying that changing your felguard to a wrathguard will actually net you less DPS?
    Yes, significantly so. The wrathguard deals around 2/3 the DPS of a felguard.

  3. #1523
    "Brewmasters are ok, we don't know what your talking about" -Blizz at the beginning of Legion.
    Cut to nearly full one on one chats with blues about changes they have done, are thinking about, and asking for suggestions. I bring this up as an example that Blizz can do this when they choose to. I would like to see even a percentage of that 'PR' for Demo.
    Last edited by Drakile; 2017-04-27 at 12:47 PM.

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  4. #1524
    @Woz what do you think about the Power trip/SC build? Is it worth using PT in hopes of a SS proc over saving a global and not having to manually refresh doom ever 13 seconds?

    Also how well would this work by using SC to get extra imps while not using PT? I have the demo shoulders so pups dont cost me shards and in most cases they generate 2 shards when calling procs. Would like to try it but not a fan of having to monitor Doom again since now its a cast and forget in most cases lol.

  5. #1525
    Quote Originally Posted by xuros View Post
    @Woz what do you think about the Power trip/SC build? Is it worth using PT in hopes of a SS proc over saving a global and not having to manually refresh doom ever 13 seconds?

    Also how well would this work by using SC to get extra imps while not using PT? I have the demo shoulders so pups dont cost me shards and in most cases they generate 2 shards when calling procs. Would like to try it but not a fan of having to monitor Doom again since now its a cast and forget in most cases lol.
    I find playing with Soul Conduit over Demonbolt nets me better DPS (I seem to have up to 14/16 imps out sometimes) and my rankings went up significantly since i made the swap, I don't take Power Trip because managing Doom on one mob (if not more) is rough when trying to use all of my soul shards so i don't waste any. PT will always sim higher than HoD but the QoL of HoD is just to nice for someone like me (mythic raider at 6/10 almost 7/10).

  6. #1526
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucrece View Post
    Yes, significantly so. The wrathguard deals around 2/3 the DPS of a felguard.
    Which is sad because I like the look of the wrathguard a lot more but it is just way to big of a hit to justify for cosmetics.

  7. #1527
    Quote Originally Posted by Galbatroix View Post
    I find playing with Soul Conduit over Demonbolt nets me better DPS (I seem to have up to 14/16 imps out sometimes) and my rankings went up significantly since i made the swap, I don't take Power Trip because managing Doom on one mob (if not more) is rough when trying to use all of my soul shards so i don't waste any. PT will always sim higher than HoD but the QoL of HoD is just to nice for someone like me (mythic raider at 6/10 almost 7/10).
    Yeah, i was thinking the same with PT. 8/10 mythic myself and was wanting to try it out to increase those numbers for the Elesonde and Guldan push.

  8. #1528
    Quote Originally Posted by xuros View Post
    Yeah, i was thinking the same with PT. 8/10 mythic myself and was wanting to try it out to increase those numbers for the Elesonde and Guldan push.
    If you have Recurrent and Wilfreds, try it out, i prefer Soul Conduit, plus it makes dealing with volcanic in M+ nicer as the Demonbolt animation doesn't cover what i'm standing on.

  9. #1529
    Quote Originally Posted by Galbatroix View Post
    If you have Recurrent and Wilfreds, try it out, i prefer Soul Conduit, plus it makes dealing with volcanic in M+ nicer as the Demonbolt animation doesn't cover what i'm standing on.
    Have all demo and all multi-spec legos save for the demo hat and wilfreds. Buying up rings with shards when i can in hopes of gaming one. ATM I use Recurrent and kazzak.

  10. #1530
    HoD should be baseline really.

    I find Soul Conduit so weird to play with. I'm used to my rotation and having SC "mess it" up really disturbs me. I wish it was a CD or something more predictable.
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  11. #1531
    I put up a Demonology thread on the Blizzard Class Development forums. I can't actually throw a link to it here, due to my account not being old enough, apparently, but I hope some of you will pick it over if you have the occasion.

    Nothing that insightful, but I wanted to put up some analysis of what I think Demo's main drawbacks are and what I'd like to see happen with our toolkit.

  12. #1532
    Quote Originally Posted by Medicine Man View Post
    I put up a Demonology thread on the Blizzard Class Development forums. I can't actually throw a link to it here, due to my account not being old enough, apparently, but I hope some of you will pick it over if you have the occasion.

    Nothing that insightful, but I wanted to put up some analysis of what I think Demo's main drawbacks are and what I'd like to see happen with our toolkit.
    Posting what I put in the thread, assuming yours is the Demonology in 7.2.5 and Beyond.

    I really wish that in the short term they could look at the absolutely over dependence and value on Haste and the power/weirdness of Darkglare and Shadowflame.

    Demonic Empowerment likely isn't going anywhere until expansion time, not that I'm saying you mentioned it. But Haste's value is way beyond reasonable for a specialization, the spec absolutely depends on it for performance due to awkward timing windows, low duration demons, and imp spawns being directly tied to it, and Darkglare/Shadowflame have a ton of potential to shore up two primary glaring flaws within the specialization in multi target combat and mobility.
    FC: 3067-6604-6289. Steel Safari - Skarmory - Klefki - Ferrorseed

  13. #1533
    Quote Originally Posted by Bullettime View Post
    Posting what I put in the thread, assuming yours is the Demonology in 7.2.5 and Beyond.

    I really wish that in the short term they could look at the absolutely over dependence and value on Haste and the power/weirdness of Darkglare and Shadowflame.

    Demonic Empowerment likely isn't going anywhere until expansion time, not that I'm saying you mentioned it. But Haste's value is way beyond reasonable for a specialization, the spec absolutely depends on it for performance due to awkward timing windows, low duration demons, and imp spawns being directly tied to it, and Darkglare/Shadowflame have a ton of potential to shore up two primary glaring flaws within the specialization in multi target combat and mobility.
    True DE isn't going anywhere but there's room for improvement on the spell and they shouldn't do it with tier gear.

  14. #1534
    Quote Originally Posted by alexchaos View Post
    True DE isn't going anywhere but there's room for improvement on the spell and they shouldn't do it with tier gear.
    The problem is adjusting it could break something else or require a full kit retuning because of the sheer number of GCDs spent on the spell.

    So if we're stuck with DE and how obnoxious it is, they should at least be looking at other flawed areas that CAN be adjusted in the short term.
    FC: 3067-6604-6289. Steel Safari - Skarmory - Klefki - Ferrorseed

  15. #1535
    Quote Originally Posted by Bullettime View Post
    Posting what I put in the thread, assuming yours is the Demonology in 7.2.5 and Beyond.

    I really wish that in the short term they could look at the absolutely over dependence and value on Haste and the power/weirdness of Darkglare and Shadowflame.
    Yes, that's the thread. Thanks, Bullettime.

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