Too Many Heals/Tanks

[Kaizun]

So, this is probably the opposite problem that usually comes up. My guild is semi-casual, but we typically have 1 or 2 too many people who sign up as tank or heals. What does your guild do in these situations? Rotate people out? First come, first serve/seniority? Take the best player based on heal meters, etc? Currently for Legion we estimate we'll have 4+ players who would like to play as tanks, and at least 2 extra healers.

What's best for the raid team? What's best for the guild?

[Rockford]

Great question as I can relate. Though saying that, with the pre-patch releasing, some of those tank/heal may change if they're not enjoying the direction of the spec/class.

As for decision making on who gets the role: Do you have solid tanks/heals that helped the guild during WoD? Did they do a good job?

Another way to look at it would be the requirement for those in specialised roles to have an OS (or a similarly geared toon in a different role) as to avoid anyone being perma locked into a role. In the organising of raid numbers, would it be best to ask for a primary, secondary and tertiary preferences? With the thought of if the primary choice isn't available, that slot becomes reserved if it does become vacant. Might help with in house recruitment.

[Deleted]

Tbh if its all current raiders who want to roll tank or healer for legion then you just gotta decide who you think is the best for it and gets the spots. They should understand there is no point in having 4 tanks or to many healers. Ask them if they are fine going dps and just be heal/tank as os when one of your current ones isnt able to raid. People who still want to roll only tank or healer when you already got them sorted should probably just search for a new guild.

If the case is that you are recruiting tanks/heals when you already got enough then i think that wasnt a great idea, unless you aren´t to happy with any of your current tanks/healers and want to replace them.

[Captain Fizz]

If a semi-casual guild as you say, bring the best tanks / healers on progression nights, the not so good on farming nights. (Or early bosses raid night)

So everyone gets a chance to raid, maybe have the other tanks/healers on some harder bosses so they get a chance to be at the front end.

[Violetti]

for Legion we estimate we'll have 4+ players who would like to play as tanks, and at least 2 extra healers.

Whoever shows up for most raids and performs well, consistency is both gameplay and attendance are the most crucial factor for tanks.

[Sylvaeres]

Since you have different people showing up, I'd figure out who is the most consistent and have them be in the key roles. The unreliable people go to the back of the line

[Kaizun]

Thanks for all the responses in this thread!

This is just people from my WoD raids, thinking about new specs/roles for Legion. We'll be doing some pre-patch raiding in the next few weeks to iron our roles. I've given priority to people who were in those roles (and stuck it with us to the end) in WoD. They may not always be the best we have, but they were the most reliable. I like the suggestions to have people keep OS and swap things up a bit on farming bosses- thanks for that!

[Deleted]

The top ranked guilds do nothing hard to understand about it. They just don't take them. The main difference between a high ranked guild and a casual guild in terms of recruitment is that they just replace people faster, bench people faster and are generally more strict about who they get.

[Younggunn187]

Its always good to have a bench. If you can manage, use a rotation and bring people in for farm fights only if they need loot.

[Wilderness]

I've found that people use terms like casual, semi-casual, hardcore very differently and can have meanings that are far off how someone else might use the term.

If by semi-casual you mean that you do want to work on progress but have a more open roster, just let people sign up for what they can do, and then see who shows up I'd agree with what Azkial said - you want your reliable, consistent people to be in as much as you can, and rotate the other people in and out as best you can. Having the most stability in key roles is what will enable the raid as a whole to progress faster and more smoothly. Having tanks/healers pick up off-specs and dps'ing when you have enough is a good option as well, though it remains to be seen how much work it will be to maintain main and off spec artifacts in Legion.

[Saverem]

Its always good to have a bench. If you can manage, use a rotation and bring people in for farm fights only if they need loot.

If people don't mind getting benched. I know I'd leave the guild in a heart beat (or if they are friends, change to another spec or wanted class) if they bench me for another player. I joined the guild to raid, not to sit in chat waiting for a spot to free up.

[blackstoise]

If people don't mind getting benched. I know I'd leave the guild in a heart beat (or if they are friends, change to another spec or wanted class) if they bench me for another player. I joined the guild to raid, not to sit in chat waiting for a spot to free up.

Depends on the level of raiding I suppose, but every decent mythic guild I've seen will have a 26-27 person roster at a minimum. This lets them ensure raids happen even if people miss a few days, and allows them to have backups of all the classes, plus extra on any that a crucial for the tier, i.e. priest in BRF Blast Furnace. This means not everyone is in on every pull every night, and I feel like that sort of a "bench" is acceptable.

[Deleted]

I would rotate them. As I was usually forced to be a resto druid in raids if I wanted to raid, while I wanted to be a balance druid. Roration felt the best solution. I will handle other tasks if I can play my preferred spec other times.

[Deleted]

quit the guild & start again

[Saverem]

Depends on the level of raiding I suppose, but every decent mythic guild I've seen will have a 26-27 person roster at a minimum. This lets them ensure raids happen even if people miss a few days, and allows them to have backups of all the classes, plus extra on any that a crucial for the tier, i.e. priest in BRF Blast Furnace. This means not everyone is in on every pull every night, and I feel like that sort of a "bench" is acceptable.

Never joined a hardcore raiding guild, so wouldn't know about that. I do play casually and enjoy raiding, so if I were to join a guild that will bench me for fights, I'll have absolutely no reason to be in the guild. If they don't need me, I'll just look for a guild that does. Doesn't matter if they're top 5 in server or ranked 110th, as long as I get to raid and enjoy the experience.

[Tziva]

It's going to depend on what level you're raiding at probably.

My heroic raid has had this issue with tanks in particular (sadly not with heals). I always give first priority on the spots to the people who have tanked with us most recently, and allow the others to function as main spec DPS/off spec tank for absences. That means that the folks who tanked in HFC will have first choice of the tank spots for Legion, and anyone who has never tanked with us or tanked with us before then can be standby as DPS. Luckily, most of my team is pretty cooperative about doing what the raid needs, which let me put some of the extra tanks as DPS or heals.

If I was running mythic with a set raid size, I'd probably give those people the choice of going DPS and being on the core team, or sticking to tank and being rotated in and out depending on the fight.