Legion Theorycrafting [7.3, All specs]

**Vindicit** · 2017-08-23, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by Effinhunter

This thread was not really intended to be just me posting sims.

Thats the best part... I learn so much from them

**3clipse** · 2017-08-25, 01:09 PM

Hey Effin, what do you find is the best way to sim relic traits/ilvls slash how do I actually do that in SimCraft?

**3clipse** · 2017-08-31, 08:11 PM

Nevermind, here's a useful tutorial (scroll to Section 4):

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...h.yaq3hjtinmwk

**Mavick** · 2017-08-31, 09:34 PM

Or just use Raidbots relic compare.

**Effinhunter** · 2017-08-31, 10:19 PM

I think the tutorial you mentioned there is a reasonably good method, and is certainly the official preference of the Simcraft team. The Raidbots relic compare is probably fine too.

When I'm doing my own relic comparisons, I am doing something more like you see in the artifact section of the first post. I tend to not put specific gem_ids and bonus_ids on the artifact. I instead change the artifact ilevel= to be the appropriate weapon ilvl from the possible relic upgrades and I update the artifact= string to be what the appropriate relic trait upgrades should be (-1 of something and +1 of something else, unless the type of trait doesn't change and only artifact ilvl changes).

This allows you to build a larger simcraft profile with all the options in it for upgrades which allows me to inform our loot council about what my upgrades in an instance are worth quickly. I can use my own armory profile as a baseline and then increment my weapon ilvl one level at a time up to 10 ilvls, usually, and then add in the trait upgrades through the artifact= string in the profile.

This is way more complicated than using Raidbots, and if you find that easier and useful to you, then I'm sure it's fine. I'm not sure if I can comment on the "best way". If all you need to do is just test out 1 relic upgrade with a very specific relic, Raidbots probably has what you need (or the tutorial you mentioned). Both seem reasonable. I just like to see what my best upgrade options are in general by weapon ilvl and trait type, which I can potentially get from m+ or even upgrades from the new world quests if they titanforge properly.

**Jurassic** · 2017-09-12, 02:00 PM

Has the crucible opening up killed the stomp build? I am not sure about all of the changes but now it seems like the traditional BM build is outperforming for me on simcraft by a pretty sizable margin.

**Effinhunter** · 2017-09-12, 05:26 PM

Latest simcraft with the following changes/notes:
1) Gear levels set to 930/975 (930 base ilvl for everything but 2pc Tier 19 with 915 and 975 artifact with crucible change @ 60 traits)
2) Trinkets shifted from Cradle as the health requirement is problematic for BM and SV
3) 63 traits from 58
4) Profiles are still haste/mastery heavy for BM/MM. I'll try to fix this at a later point, but crit/mastery will benefit both specs, especially given current talent preferences (e.g., OWTP).
5) These are first drafts for 6.3 and are intended to help give you ideas for creating your own sims with the gear you have.

I will be posting talents and artifact breakdowns (with crucible breakdowns) first

4. Talents Breakdown

----- BM -----

###### BM No Legendary ######

BM top talent combinations, Single Target, 930/975 ilvl, 63 traits, No Legendary, Simcraft Source

BM top talent combinations, Three Target, 930/975 ilvl, 63 traits, No Legendary, Simcraft Source

###### BM Huntmaster Legendary ######

BM top talent combinations, Single Target, 930/960 ilvl, 58 traits, Huntmaster Legendary, Simcraft Source

BM top talent combinations, Three Target, 930/960 ilvl, 58 traits, Huntmaster Legendary, Simcraft Source

----- MM -----

###### MM No Legendary ######

MM top talent combinations, Single Target, 930/960 ilvl, 63 traits, No Legendary, Simcraft Source

MM top talent combinations, Three Target, 930/960 ilvl, 63 traits, No Legendary, Simcraft Source

###### MM Huntmaster Legendary ######

MM top talent combinations, Single Target, 930/960 ilvl, 63 traits, Huntmaster Legendary, Simcraft Source

MM top talent combinations, Three Target, 930/960 ilvl, 63 traits, Huntmaster Legendary, Simcraft Source

----- SV -----

###### SV No Legendary ######

SV top talent combinations, Single Target, 930/960 ilvl, 63 traits, No Legendary, Simcraft Source

SV top talent combinations, Three Target, 930/960 ilvl, 63 traits, No Legendary, Simcraft Source

###### SV Huntmaster Legendary ######

SV top talent combinations, Three Target, 930/960 ilvl, 63 traits, Huntmaster Legendary, Simcraft Source

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3. Artifacts Breakdown

I've tried to differentiate crucible traits via capitalization, so you can more easily see where they fall in the ranking. Still a big list, though. 10k iterations on all.

----- BM -----

BM artifact ilvl and trait upgrades, 63 trait base, 2pc/4pc T19/T20, 930/960 ilvl, (Simcraft Source)

----- MM -----

MM artifact ilvl and trait upgrades, 63 trait base, 2pc/4pc T19/T20, 930/960 ilvl, (Simcraft Source)

MM artifact ilvl and trait upgrades, True Aim selected, 63 trait base, 2pc/4pc T19/T20, 930/960 ilvl, (Simcraft Source)

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----- SV -----

SV artifact ilvl and trait upgrades, 63 trait base, 2pc/4pc T19/T20, 930/960 ilvl, (Simcraft Source)

Edit: Going to play a bit and catch up on questline. Artifact sims for 3 targets are running right now.

**bazzzyl** · 2017-09-12, 06:30 PM

So it seems that Dire Frenzy is back in the business again?

**Mavick** · 2017-09-12, 07:09 PM

Raidbots, and I assume simcraft, applied the 6% buff at some point today. So if you simmed your stomp builds before that point and dire frenzy after, you may want to re-sim everything just in case. Same thing happened to me, where DF jumped up, but then went back and re-simmed stomp/aotb, and it was even higher.

**Jurassic** · 2017-09-12, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by Mavick

Raidbots, and I assume simcraft, applied the 6% buff at some point today. So if you simmed your stomp builds before that point and dire frenzy after, you may want to re-sim everything just in case. Same thing happened to me, where DF jumped up, but then went back and re-simmed stomp/aotb, and it was even higher.

So I may be an exception. I am replacing a 915 t19 cloak and a 905 pair of pants with 945 cloak and 935 pants. I reran the sims and while it still is better for me to drop t19 the best build (single target) is WotC, DF, OwtP+BF (ring), AMoC, KC.

**Effinhunter** · 2017-09-12, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by Mavick

Raidbots, and I assume simcraft, applied the 6% buff at some point today. So if you simmed your stomp builds before that point and dire frenzy after, you may want to re-sim everything just in case. Same thing happened to me, where DF jumped up, but then went back and re-simmed stomp/aotb, and it was even higher.

The talents were all this morning but possibly before the change. I'll rerun everything again this week, as usual. Right now, I'm just trying to make sure I get the base simcraft files in good shape. After that, I can just run everything in batch to catch back up.

P.S. As I mentioned in the post, the builds are still mastery/haste heavy. If you switch these to mastery/crit, OWTP and AotB are looking very good. I'm rerunning the talents with latest simcraft. It won't be done until well after raid tonight though.

**Biomega** · 2017-09-13, 05:17 AM

How quaint that MM ST sees Volley on top. I bet Blizz loves that, clear and intuitive design.

And yeah Crucible is going to be a major PITA to sim with the gazillion different combinations.

**Effinhunter** · 2017-09-13, 03:42 PM

Updated with most recent Simcraft (has the 6% BM buff represented)

4. Talents Breakdown

----- BM -----

###### BM No Legendary ######

BM top talent combinations, Single Target, 930/975 ilvl, 63 traits, No Legendary, Simcraft Source