[BREWMASTER] 7.X Discussion Thread

[Saverem]

RIP.

It's like they nerfed GDru and then went back and was like "OK, now let's nerf the rest of the tanks to make the nerfed Gdru number 1 again..."

[Tech614]

RIP.

It's like they nerfed GDru and then went back and was like "OK, now let's nerf the rest of the tanks to make the nerfed Gdru number 1 again..."

It's not really a nerf if it's something we never had.(speaking of set bonus not the stagger change).

Hardly doubt the magic stagger change is going to suddenly make brewmaster low tier tanks.

Is that all you do is make sky is falling posts?

[Grobovshik]

We will have Dampen harm for magic fights with ring.

[Mokuna]

Realistically this probably won't change much for brewmasters, but again it's a poor design choice, , nerfing gameplay/fun, introducing variance, and trivialising a tier bonus.

The t20 2p was a good bonus, it was fun, it was strong but not really overpowered (was around a 100-150k hps increase assuming you could use it perfectly and not overheal, which is really hard to imagine), the interaction with 4p was strong but not broken (using 10 orbs is around a 40% purify, it created around 12 orbs a minute so it could be considered as 1.2 brews per minute in some way, which is lower than current 4p gives) .

Now after the nerf, not only it's unreliable, but on average it's just a pile of crap, still going with 12 brews used a minute this creates on average 4.8 orbs which is pretty negligible healing, and kills the synergy with 4p .

The 4p will still be decently strong to reduce overall damage on fights you generate a lot of orbs naturally, but the tier itself is just left broken, the orb generation from 2p is too low to be significant for anything, it's probably worse than having 2 well itemised/higher ilvl items.

[Juliansfist]

Will it be better to ignore tier bonuses in favour of better ilvls/stat composition then?

[Piwielle]

No, you'll still want your 4p for progression.

[dcc626]

It's not really a nerf if it's something we never had.(speaking of set bonus not the stagger change).

Hardly doubt the magic stagger change is going to suddenly make brewmaster low tier tanks.

Is that all you do is make sky is falling posts?

its all the playerbase does in general.

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Realistically this probably won't change much for brewmasters, but again it's a poor design choice, , nerfing gameplay/fun, introducing variance, and trivialising a tier bonus.

The t20 2p was a good bonus, it was fun, it was strong but not really overpowered (was around a 100-150k hps increase assuming you could use it perfectly and not overheal, which is really hard to imagine), the interaction with 4p was strong but not broken (using 10 orbs is around a 40% purify, it created around 12 orbs a minute so it could be considered as 1.2 brews per minute in some way, which is lower than current 4p gives) .

Now after the nerf, not only it's unreliable, but on average it's just a pile of crap, still going with 12 brews used a minute this creates on average 4.8 orbs which is pretty negligible healing, and kills the synergy with 4p .

The 4p will still be decently strong to reduce overall damage on fights you generate a lot of orbs naturally, but the tier itself is just left broken, the orb generation from 2p is too low to be significant for anything, it's probably worse than having 2 well itemised/higher ilvl items.

the thing is, people were all talking about how good the bonuses were, how "broken" it was - then get all up in arms when it gets nerfed. what do people expect? how would you have fixed it to make it?

[ReD-EyeD]

Making something reliable into something of pure luck is always the wrong way to "fix" it. So they made Special Delivery a better talent, but went haywire with the set...

[Just Another Monk]

Yes, we are totally destroyed /s

Still arguably the best going into Tomb but whatever floats your boat.

That thread has been deleted.

[Marrilaife]

That thread has been deleted.

Nope just US forums are broken. http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/1...r-500-and-404/

Try this instead: https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17615655418

[Grobovshik]

Life became significally harder on M+ bosses (+16 or smth, ~old +20) who are using hard hitting magical attacks often. Even w/o tyrannical. With 20 june nerfs it will be pain. Would be manageable with 2 absorb trinkets and new lego though (hello dampen harm).

[dcc626]

Making something reliable into something of pure luck is always the wrong way to "fix" it. So they made Special Delivery a better talent, but went haywire with the set...

its either 100% or its not. its too good at 100% (apparently) but not good enough otherwise. do you make it spawn special orbs that heal for 1/3 the amount? would that change the overall numbers enough?

[ReD-EyeD]

its either 100% or its not. its too good at 100% (apparently) but not good enough otherwise. do you make it spawn special orbs that heal for 1/3 the amount? would that change the overall numbers enough?

I honestly don't know the best way to change it, probably just rework it from the scratch, but I like this idea:
When you ISB or Purify (or rather just all brews for simplicity) you get the effect of the heal orb. Instantly.

It's very different from the current one because it can't be used in large portions on demand and a lot of it will be pretty much wasted on full hp and/or low stagger. The thing is that you still can pool orbs from normal generation for extra heal/purify with full set and you will have an option of extra heal with ISB/Purify charges traded for hp (in a way similar to legendary belt, kinda).

Anyway, nobody cares about it and we have to deal with random ass set bonus.

[Deleted]

Today i tested LB a bit and boy, with 30% Haste (unbuffed) it's damn smooth.
During a medium damage fight (Moderate Stagger most of the Time) i'm ablo to PB 5/min.
Sure, Double PB is mostly not doable, but it's not needed most of the time tbh.

[Deleted]

Any consensus on RJW vs SD on single target vs cleave?

What about without chest equipped?

[Tech614]

Any consensus on RJW vs SD on single target vs cleave?

What about without chest equipped?

SD's theoretical dps didn't change, and RJW only had a minor change in that you have to cast it less for full benefit.

[Grobovshik]

Are you guys gonna keep 2t19 in ToS? Im thinking about using 2t19+4t20.

Any consensus on RJW vs SD on single target vs cleave?

What about without chest equipped?

Dps wise chest and rjw are must have for me. Too much awkward pauses need to be filled.

[ReD-EyeD]

SD's theoretical dps didn't change, and RJW only had a minor change in that you have to cast it less for full benefit.

No, they not only made RJW last longer for 50%, but they actually buffed it's damage by 50% so it's base dps is the same, but overall damage per button pressed is x1.5 now.

Pressing RJW is actually more damage overall than Blackout Strike (even with +20% dmg trait and +12% crit chance, well unless you crit like crazy with it).

[keqe]

No, they not only made RJW last longer for 50%, but they actually buffed it's damage by 50% so it's base dps is the same, but overall damage per button pressed is x1.5 now.

Pressing RJW is actually more damage overall than Blackout Strike (even with +20% dmg trait and +12% crit chance, well unless you crit like crazy with it).

My BoS does 255k damage while RJW does 286k (without crits). With BoS having 12% more crit it is 10.2% more damage on average with my crit% bringing it to 281k damage. Not winning by a huge margin.

Even BoF does 248k without DoT. So only 15% more than a BoF direct damage parts.

It can't really compete with other abilities (in ST). It needs to have a fitting place where to use it without sacrificing other abilities for it to be good. With legendary shoulders and chest I find it really difficult.

Without the legendary or two it obviously works.

[ReD-EyeD]

My BoS does 255k damage while RJW does 286k (without crits). With BoS having 12% more crit it is 10.2% more damage on average with my crit% bringing it to 281k damage. Not winning by a huge margin.

Yeah, lets compare one ability without crits to another one with them.

BoS is 373% x 1.2 +12% crit chance against RJW 9x69=621% while being constant damage (with separate crits) and not being affected by armor as it is not physical damage.
The thing is that you can freely squeeze it in your rotation when you're energy starved and it is convenient AOE that you can use even before the pack pulls in m+. I'm not really comparing them directly, but it is still better damage per button than BoS on ST and obviously AOE.