Reasons to Vote for Trump!

[A Dark Knight]

He will provide endless material for comedians and late night hosts, even better than the stuff bush/vader gave.

And from now until the end of time, US presidents can say "will i fucked up, but at least i am not trump".

[zorkuus]

He will provide endless material for comedians and late night hosts, even better than the stuff bush/vader gave.

He will sue them for libel.

[A Dark Knight]

He will sue them for libel.

can a president sue a person or the corporation they work for ?

[zenkai]

Pros - He's not Hillary
Cons - He's Trump
He edges out for the comedy gold he would bring the next 4 years. Like Bill Clinton

[BannedForViews]

Maybe the bullshit about him being a great business man?



My example was supposed to show that he doesn't, but you don't seem to care. I bet I can list a plethora of his failed business and the fact that he started with a fortune, but I doubt it would help. Did you see how awesome he was on Aprentice? Maybe they can do a cross over with American idol! I cannot wait!



To you it won't, because you ignore his failures. But, to people paying attention and those who are not as enamored with his celebrity, it won't be the same. The market is driven by speculation and those paying attention, are not as close to blind worship as Trump's supporters are.



Trump didn't invent anything... This comparison makes no sense... Edison also didn't start with a fortune in light bulbs, when he invited it.



He was born with billions of dollars...



In 2007? Yeah, the economy was already collapsing and the politicians who didn't see it coming, were responsible. The 2008 summers of Bush's 'self fixing economy' shouldn't be a positive about Trump.



No, I stick to policy and history... Not a Trump supporter... Not a level I reach down to... Before you even say it, I know you are not a Trump supporter. No one is... You just like to ignore his history to form a positive opinion about him, because it's fun...



Uhm... Because there are already people who are very upset about the fence taking their land. I know Trump is blinding in his majesty, but most people don't really enjoy being told to get the fuck out from their property, for the good of the nation. You know, it's why communism is supposed to be bad... But, who knows... Trump is infallible...

You clearly have your mind made up so I don't know why I even try other than I enjoy pointing out where you are wrong, so here it goes.

You provide one example of him failing. That doesn't refute my claim. I am also not enamored with Trump. I've said multiple times I think he is worthless scum. That still doesn't mean you're right about him when you say stupid things like you seem to do in every post you make.

"The market is driven by speculation and those paying attention, are not as close to blind worship as Trump's supporters are." This means absolutely nothing. It's an attempted for you to make it seem like you have some authority when you don't know what you're talking about. Define "driven by speculation". Cite your proof. Who are "those paying attention?" Why would fact that "those paying attention" are or are not blindly worshiping Trump have anything to do with anything we are discussing here, i.e. the fact that Trump had a failed mortgage venture means he will ruin the US economy if President.

Trump didn't "invent" anything but he did "make" plenty. There are more buildings with his name on them than there are that say Felya, and they are worth billions of dollars. Also it's called an analogy, not "The thing in question." It is used to provide a similar, yet DIFFERENT, example to provide evidence for a point, i.e. successful people are not always successful in everything they do, or everytime they do it.

Trump was also not born with billions of dollars. His father died in 1999 with an estimated net worth of 275ish million at the time. A lot of money to be sure, but not billions. He also gave Donald a large loan to start him off, something very few people have access to, but still, not billions. He turned millions into billions, and he deserve credit for this accomplishment. If it were easy we would all do it.

"In 2007? Yeah, the economy was already collapsing and the politicians who didn't see it coming, were responsible. The 2008 summers of Bush's 'self fixing economy' shouldn't be a positive about Trump." Your timeline and your demagoguery are misplaced. The market peaked in 2007, it had a smaller recovery peak in 2008, and ultimately collapsed in the beginning of 2009. Your stuff about Bush is nonsense that I won't engage with since not only am I sure the point you want to make is incorrect, you didn't actually attempt to make a point with which to engage, so why bother.


I also have no positive opinion of Trump. I think he will make a terrible President and while I think he will make a better one than Hillary, I am unsure if the country wouldn't be better off failing under her than under him, so that we have more proof of how undeniably stupid you liberals are.

As to eminent domain, I'm sure you can always find someone who complains, but the fact is it is law. Peoples land is forcibly purchased all the time for roads and other public goods. Sometimes they are mad, sometimes not, but they are more than fairly compensated.

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He will sue them for libel.

Cannot sue.

[Draco-Onis]

can a president sue a person or the corporation they work for ?

Trump has promised to reopen libel laws.

[BannedForViews]

Well I don't want to be a negative or a doomsayer, but devaluation of the dollar seems to be the likely outcome of leaving the World Trade Organization. In addition to his idiotic tax plan and possible crash on the debt bonds if he carries out his idiotic idea of renegotiating the debt. Also Dracos854 made interesting points.

I read his tax plan. I fail to see how it is idiotic. Also he would be president, not dictator. Obama said about 100 things he was going to do and the only one he did, healthcare, is an abject failure. I wouldn't put too much stock into his anti-trade rhetoric. I'm not saying you're a liberal but i find it funny that any liberal would use that as an argument against him though. They can't stand free trade.

On the debt issue though, that is the eventual solution. The amount of liabilities are too large. Debtors will either be stiffed through fractional repayments or inflation will solve the problem. As it stands the US, and pretty much every other national, uses inflation to solve this problem. I fail to see how you are okay with the one but not with the other.

[Draco-Onis]

On the debt issue though, that is the eventual solution. The amount of liabilities are too large. Debtors will either be stiffed through fractional repayments or inflation will solve the problem. As it stands the US, and pretty much every other national, uses inflation to solve this problem. I fail to see how you are okay with the one but not with the other.

The american people own 67.5% of the US debt so you would be hurting the US economy the most. The Trump tax plan would put debt at 120 - 130% of of GDP, unless you miss the days of the great depression to inflate our money that much is pretty much insanity.

[A Dark Knight]

Trump has promised to reopen libel laws.

nothing scream "presidential" more than suing people who made fun of you.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

nothing scream "presidential" more than suing people who made fun of you.

Not as much as having to constantly tell everyone how smart and well educated you are.

[Arcbound]

You have to look at why "the whole world hates him". It's a pretty important detail.

Democrats don't like him because he's not a democrat and doesn't push their agendas (which are very bad for even the people that "defend", but that's an entirely different subject). Republicans didn't want him initially because he was an outsider and didn't conform to all of their wishes. Other countries don't like him because he symbolizes putting responsibility back on other countries to deal with their own affairs and to not rely so heavily on US so we can sort out own shit out, including moving some of our jobs back to our countries, which would effectively hurt other economies IF it panned out.

Add it up, and you will realize one thing is 100% true, in order for America to reclaim anything it has lost, other countries will have to lose out on what they took, borrowed or were given from us. Trump stands to bolster America first as a change, and democrats heavily try to "please everyone", and often hurts America in the process. So yeah, you have a very pro-America person in the race, other countries will have ruffled feathers for a bit. You speak out about illegal immigrants, you'll piss off people who love race-baiting (liberals in general).

So, eh, it's not everyone's cup of tea, but eventually someone has to put the breaks on mucking up America. If only Trump was a bit more of a respectable person himself, it'd be great. But unfortunately, if it was just a do-gooder, he'd probably never win over Hillary or any other candidate. I whole-heartedly think Trump is a media genius and has used his antics as a way to increase publicity, because it has obviously payed off. Even his childish tricks like name calling has turned his enemies into well-recognizable symbols. To critics, it seems childish, but he's gotten people into politics like never before. Hate him all you want, and it's true, he's not a great guy HIMSELF, but he's played the game in unbelievable ways and has some substance that is important to realize because liberals and democrats are eating away the country's integrity.

As for myself; I consider myself very "middle", equality, relations, trade, economics, logic, it's all very important to me. But it has to be handled with logic rather than emotion, and that is where Democrats have heavily fell short for me in recent years.

Honestly, I feel like the Democrats have made logical arguments most of the time, but regardless. Suppose Trump enacts his major policies (snubbing China, building a wall, deporting immigrants, etc). There is a consensus by most foreign policy experts and economists (from both the right and left) that it would be really bad for the US economically and diplomatically. These are people who have spent their whole lives studying this policy and have a bipartisan agreement that the policy is bad. Ok, so you might say, well he is not going to do all that. Then what is he going to do? There are a lot of ways to mess up the order of things that can have very bad results.

It is pretty obvious that Trump is a narcissist. Which means Trump will do what is the best for Trump and nothing more. If Trump really cared about the US as he pretends to care about it, he would have required all of his products were made in the USA, even if he took a small hit in the profit margins (there are many CEOs and billionaires who have either given large portions of their personal wealth or taken pay cuts to raise the salaries of their employees).

Not only that, but Trump's language is very devisive, which can be dangerous.

I am amazed at how many people on this thread argue with the Pope. This is just my opinion, but he has been one of the most Christ like figures we have seen in a long time. He cares equally about every Christian issue and more than that he lives the word (often taking the poorer route to the expensive). He has snuck out at night to visit the poor in Rome, even at a great risk to his own life. When he was a bishop he lived in a small apartment as opposed to the Parish house to save money. Not only that but it is obvious he cares about people of every race, nationality, level of wealth equally, which is really hard to say for many people.

[breadisfunny]

What's a "Ted Nugent"?

some sort of candy bar.

[Orlong]

nothing scream "presidential" more than suing people who made fun of you.

He doesnt sue people that make fun of him. He sues people who tell lies about him that attack his credibility and reputation. Its called slander and or Libel depending on the statement. You can call him a clown and he isnt going to sue

[Garnier Fructis]

Pros - He's not Hillary
Cons - He's Trump

That's a spectacularly accurate summary.

[Molis]

"Gov. Brown says California will build a wall"

I hope not between Nevada and California.
I like Las Vegas.

[Bollocks]

I read his tax plan. I fail to see how it is idiotic. Also he would be president, not dictator. Obama said about 100 things he was going to do and the only one he did, healthcare, is an abject failure. I wouldn't put too much stock into his anti-trade rhetoric. I'm not saying you're a liberal but i find it funny that any liberal would use that as an argument against him though. They can't stand free trade.

On the debt issue though, that is the eventual solution. The amount of liabilities are too large. Debtors will either be stiffed through fractional repayments or inflation will solve the problem. As it stands the US, and pretty much every other national, uses inflation to solve this problem. I fail to see how you are okay with the one but not with the other.

Dracos already answered the point of debt. Now lets addres the rest of the arguments:

1) He lacks the knowledge to realize that a reduction in taxes would not generate sufficient gains(economic growth) to cover the amount of lost. This is literally basic understanding of the laffer curve. And it would only leave a defficit.

2) I'm a liberal not a socialist or part of the left. Liberal policies absolutely do not clash with the idea of free trade, in fact they support it. But that is besides the point because he is wrong with every respectable economist out there.

[Felya]

More smoke. you can surely do better than that?

To you? Probebly not... I've been linking trump's own site for months to his supporters... We even have Orlong excusing him as 'he didn't mean it'... Reasonable people who might actually discuss things, sure... You? Doubt it...

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You have stumbled into the summary of most Trump supporters, hey I know he said that but he isn't going to actually do it, so what exactly are you voting for? how can you tell when he is actually telling the truth about anything he says?

Celebrity... Actually, with Orlong, it's the R next to his name...

[SteveRocks]

The allure of throwing it in the face of sanctimonious people is strong. It's about the only reason I'd vote for him.

Same here. I might just do it because I want to see weak people crapping their pants.

[araine]

According to Ted Nugent

Noone cares what that Nugent idiot thinks about anything. and he said he was leaving the country if Obama won, still waiting for that idiot to leave

[Felya]

You clearly have your mind made up so I don't know why I even try other than I enjoy pointing out where you are wrong, so here it goes.

Yeah, I made up my mind about Trump 20 years ago... You know, before Apprentice made him seem like a competent businessman, but while he was generally considered the property of tabloid. Paris Hilton alpha...

You provide one example of him failing. That doesn't refute my claim. I am also not enamored with Trump. I've said multiple times I think he is worthless scum. That still doesn't mean you're right about him when you say stupid things like you seem to do in every post you make.

I can provide more than one... The dude had 4 bankruptcys... The one I chose was specific to the context. My goal wasn't volume, but precision. Notice how you have not refuted the thing I said, outside of your self evaluated proof of me being wrong. If that's not due to your fixation, then your general state of being is ill conceived.

"The market is driven by speculation and those paying attention, are not as close to blind worship as Trump's supporters are." This means absolutely nothing. It's an attempted for you to make it seem like you have some authority when you don't know what you're talking about. Define "driven by speculation". Cite your proof. Who are "those paying attention?" Why would fact that "those paying attention" are or are not blindly worshiping Trump have anything to do with anything we are discussing here, i.e. the fact that Trump had a failed mortgage venture means he will ruin the US economy if President.

Nope, your assessment of why I'm saying what I am, is your bias. My intent was not an attempt to appeal to authority, in fact my point was wide. Saying people who pay attention, is not appealing to authority. The attention I am speaking of is predicated on the previous comment. It's those who pay attention to his history. I didn't say those who run or advocate on behalf of the economy, but a wide range in those paying attention to history.

Why are those paying attention to history mater? Well, I answered that, but your bias is blinding you. Those who remember the history of Trump's mortgage company, in 2007, will not trust him to react to market fluctuation accordingly. As I said, similarly to the reaction the market had to Bush's summer of 'self fixing economy'. Want to see something fun? I'll let you figure it out. Can you check the RNC platform from 2008? Do you see anything peculiar that happened the same month that RNC convention was held. I'll give you a clue, it's why McCain suspended his campaign the next month to refocus on the economy.

If you think, Trump's history of not only ignoring, but doubling down on mortgages in 2007, will be ignored by enouph people to not speculate against Trump. All power to you... I think better of people... Not because they are authority... But, because I assume people are generally, not exclusively, rational...

Trump didn't "invent" anything but he did "make" plenty. There are more buildings with his name on them than there are that say Felya, and they are worth billions of dollars. Also it's called an analogy, not "The thing in question." It is used to provide a similar, yet DIFFERENT, example to provide evidence for a point, i.e. successful people are not always successful in everything they do, or everytime they do it.

I made a far higher percentage on what I started with, than Trump did. I've never filed for bankruptcy. I've never been on any government assistance. Just because I wasn't born a Trump, doesn't mean I am a lesser person. Neither are you...

Trump was also not born with billions of dollars. His father died in 1999 with an estimated net worth of 275ish million at the time. A lot of money to be sure, but not billions. He also gave Donald a large loan to start him off, something very few people have access to, but still, not billions. He turned millions into billions, and he deserve credit for this accomplishment. If it were easy we would all do it.

The majority of his wealth is his self evaluation of his name. Something he litteraly inherited from his father. Compare the Dow in 1999 and now... Then tell me Trump was smart with his money...

"In 2007? Yeah, the economy was already collapsing and the politicians who didn't see it coming, were responsible. The 2008 summers of Bush's 'self fixing economy' shouldn't be a positive about Trump." Your timeline and your demagoguery are misplaced. The market peaked in 2007, it had a smaller recovery peak in 2008, and ultimately collapsed in the beginning of 2009. Your stuff about Bush is nonsense that I won't engage with since not only am I sure the point you want to make is incorrect, you didn't actually attempt to make a point with which to engage, so why bother.

Well, everyone is free to check any site for when market began to fall. I'm fine with that... Do try to solve that puzzle please... Also, I'd apreceate a date when TARP was first put up for a vote... >.<

I also have no positive opinion of Trump. I think he will make a terrible President and while I think he will make a better one than Hillary, I am unsure if the country wouldn't be better off failing under her than under him, so that we have more proof of how undeniably stupid you liberals are.

Yes, this Goldwater conservative is a stupid liberal... At least I don't go around forums insulting people on the Internet...

As to eminent domain, I'm sure you can always find someone who complains, but the fact is it is law. Peoples land is forcibly purchased all the time for roads and other public goods. Sometimes they are mad, sometimes not, but they are more than fairly compensated.

Bullshit... What happens if they say no? What happens when it's their home for generations? I'm sorry, but this Goldwater conservative does not support such government action, for any reason. Otherwise, I can't call my self a conservative...