Sanders team wanted use of plane in exchange for backing Clinton

[Alvito]

How is this interesting at all? He wanted a plane that he could use to campaign for Hillary (read against Trump). What's the big deal?

Yeah, why people think he should foot the bill to help her and then try to make news out of it is crazy. Then again in the first line it says they considered it, not they did it.

[BuckSparkles]

Yea after reading the memo is really made me see what I was hoping was not true old sell out sanders was a wolf in sheeps clothing aka the youth-whisperer to get votes for Hillary.

Luckily, his supporters seem more for his "revolution" than he is. Bernie or Bust: Useful people now.

[Reeve]

You should be a DJ with that much spin.

How is that spin? It's exactly what's going on. Bernie may not have any great love for Clinton, but he knows that Trump is far, far worse, and that if Clinton doesn't win, it will be because Trump did win. It's responsible and pragmatic for him to campaign for Hillary at this point.

[TwoNineMarine]

That just shows how much he doesn't want Trump in office. He would rather have the person that either cheated or benefited from cheating to win over Trump.

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He could, he wouldn't win anything. More over running as a 3rd party means the electors in the state would just pick who they wanted even if he won the state.

Which is crazy to me. I'd slam the shit out of the DNC for fucking me if I were him. It just shows the vast political corruption.

As to your second quote that shows how fucked our system is even more. We've got to get someone in there who will fix that shit.

[BuckSparkles]

How is that spin? It's exactly what's going on. Bernie may not have any great love for Clinton, but he knows that Trump is far, far worse, and that if Clinton doesn't win, it will be because Trump did win. It's responsible and pragmatic for him to campaign for Hillary at this point.

Sanders backing a utterly corrupt politician and system doesn't exactly give me any respect for him.

I hope his efforts backfire immensely.

[Lenonis]

It shows he is a fraud. He never wanted a "revolution." And he never was against the "elite."

He wanted a revolution within the democratic party to move the party to the left. Which is what he got.

Apparently all you have listened to is the reported rhetoric and not what Sanders has actually been saying all along. A problem I suspect a lot of his "supporters" also have.

[jillnothill]

"I don't believe that she is qualified if she is, through her super PAC, taking tens of millions of dollars in special interest funds. I don't think that you are qualified if you get $15 million from Wall Street through your Super PAC. I don't think you are qualified if you have voted for the disastrous war in Iraq. I don't think you are qualified if you've supported virtually every disastrous trade agreement, which has cost us millions of decent-paying jobs.

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"Any objective observer will conclude that -- based on her ideas and her leadership -- Hillary Clinton must become the next president of the United States,"

Nope he did not sell out

[Reeve]

Sanders backing a utterly corrupt politician and system doesn't exactly give me any respect for him.

I hope his efforts backfire immensely.

He's backing an establishment career politician in order to defeat a fascist, and quite possibly the most dangerous man in the world today.

[TwoNineMarine]

That's realism.
The system won't change.
And if it ever changes, it won't be before November.
So you have two options: Hillary or Trump.

Doesn't mean he shouldn't fight it.

Unless I've missed it he hasn't even condemned the DNC for what they did.

I understand he hates Trump. But what he should do, in my opinion, is say something like, "I don't want Trump to win so I'm endorsing Hillary. But even more so the DNC needs to be held accountable for any and all corruption that obviously took place. They are a disgrace and things need to get fixed."

[Alvito]

Which is crazy to me. I'd slam the shit out of the DNC for fucking me if I were him. It just shows the vast political corruption.

As to your second quote that shows how fucked our system is even more. We've got to get someone in there who will fix that shit.

I agree, but he clearly doesn't think Trump is that person, many don't. You can't blame them since Trump is making money off of his running. As much as he liked to brag about paying for it himself, he loaned his campaign the money, with interest, and has now started paying himself back with donations made by others. It is all smoke and mirrors on both sides.

[Sinyc]

My respect for him wasn't super high to begin with but it's all but gone now that he is backing that woman and more importantly backing the very system that fucked him.

Well it's either back her and hope for the best. Or not back her, which would help Trump, and hope for the best.

Both are lose-lose situations, but since he used the Democratic Party to get his message out there the least he could do is back the Democratic nominee...

[zenkai]

Bernie Sanders: A man who said the system was rigged, was correct the system was rigged, and now is endorsing the person who rigged it.

Yep; he has no self-respect and is a doormat.

Would have made an excellent president!

Yeah, I could have gotten behind Sanders, simply because he wasn't Clinton or Trump but a person who doesn't stand by his own principles should not be a leader. But then again I could say the same about Hillary and Trump.

[Kazgrel]

Ted DiBiase's old slogan comes to mind: Everyone has a price.

[Alvito]

Doesn't mean he shouldn't fight it.

Unless I've missed it he hasn't even condemned the DNC for what they did.

I understand he hates Trump. But what he should do, in my opinion, is say something like, "I don't want Trump to win so I'm endorsing Hillary. But even more so the DNC needs to be held accountable for any and all corruption that obviously took place. They are a disgrace and things need to get fixed."

He is in a no win situation though. If he slams the DNC then it helps Trump and gives the GoP fuel for their anti Hillary/DNC fire. So he has to just grin and bear it or wait to make a fuss about it after the election, sadly by then nobody will want to listen anymore and will have little reason to act.

[TwoNineMarine]

I agree, but he clearly doesn't think Trump is that person, many don't. You can't blame them since Trump is making money off of his running. As much as he liked to brag about paying for it himself, he loaned his campaign the money, with interest, and has now started paying himself back with donations made by others. It is all smoke and mirrors on both sides.

Oh I know it. I'm sure the RNC is just as fucked. I hate our whole system.

But at the same time I'd prefer Trump to make money off his own campaign because he funded it then take money from every donor around while playing up their rhetoric.

Trumps an ass but at least he stands for what he believes. I'd rather that than flip floppy Hillary.

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Nope he did not sell out

All that shows is that he prefers Hillary over Trump. It doesn't mean that he suddenly think that she's the best politician in the world.

[TwoNineMarine]

Well it's either back her and hope for the best. Or not back her, which would help Trump, and hope for the best.

Both are lose-lose situations, but since he used the Democratic Party to get his message out there the least he could do is back the Democratic nominee...

Yeah I understand that mentality. But it's so backwards as to be crazy to me. Instead of going with the status quo they need to be pushing for new and different. Because look where the status quo has gotten us: Clinton and Trump. Yay.

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He could do that.
But that wouldn't convince his followers to vote against Trump.

That's patriotism.
Even though a political party fucked you over, you're not going to screw the country out of some petty revenge.

You'd need a revolution to change that system.
The people who have the power to change the system have that power because of the system, they are never going to change it.

I know it. Which is sad. Frankly they've been given too much power and they know it. They know that nothing can or will be done against them.

[Alvito]

Oh I know it. I'm sure the RNC is just as fucked. I hate our whole system.

But at the same time I'd prefer Trump to make money off his own campaign because he funded it then take money from every donor around while playing up their rhetoric.

Trumps an ass but at least he stands for what he believes. I'd rather that than flip floppy Hillary.

Trump is flip floppy too, pro choice/pro life, for Muslim/anti Muslim, against guns/for guns, the list goes on and on, he tailors his talking points to the crowd he is in front of knowing he makes so much noise that in the big picture people wont filter through the nonsense.

[Fargus]

He is just more against Trump the Hillary. When facing 2 awful choices you sometimes have to pick the lesser of two evils.

Trump is the lesser of two evils.

[TwoNineMarine]

He is in a no win situation though. If he slams the DNC then it helps Trump and gives the GoP fuel for their anti Hillary/DNC fire. So he has to just grin and bear it or wait to make a fuss about it after the election, sadly by then nobody will want to listen anymore and will have little reason to act.

Frankly I'd rather deal with 4-8 years of Trump while clearing house and exposing the corruption in the DNC (and RNC too I'm sure) because that is more important than whatever douchebaggery Trump can come up with during his tenure.