"Guardian"s Power Level

[Justpassing]

So, Harbingers - Khadgar is out. It's a pretty good short but one question immediately springs to mind: Medivh got killed by a bunch of footmen, how the hell is the Guardian Mage is so powerful that it can counter the whole Legion? Why don't we just make a Guardian, when he's corrupted we'll just send a couple footmen on him so shrug.

[Arrashi]

He takes 200% dmg from all plot based attacks.

[Tenjen]

I too like to disregard context and circumstances and word things jn a ridiculous manner

Did you know the original ashbringer, after fighting a handful of undead, was killed with a letter opener wielded by a emo teenager?

Did you know sargaras lost his physical form because the night elves basicly closed a door on his foot when he was walking in?

Cairne died because a cow lady put dirty water on garroshes weapon, which was just some metal on a stick.

Sargaras hurt his foot when it was poked by an orc with an extra hard toothpick.

[Kellorion]

Seriously please try to keep it to one thread. Thanks

[Xtrm]

What are you even on about? Medivh was killed by Khadgar and Lothar, Khadgar was Medivh's apprentice and an extremely powerful mage, Lothar was an extremely powerful warrior. The title of guardian was a position literally created to combat the Legion, however, they can't completely annihilate an entire army (most likely). It was a vision that the dreadlord used to attempt to trick Khadgar into joining the Legion. Visions are not actual events until they happen.

[Deleted]

It's what you don't expect that kills you. Like a mana bomb turned into a nuke, a knife in the dark, dragon soul erasing your race of blue dragons, or thousands of wisps destroying you from the inside out.

[Selastan]

The guardians became exponentially stronger as they gained more and more power. Since we don't know how long the Council of Tirisfal existed and how many members it had over that time, its impossible to accurately measure. Medivh is setting somewhere between a few hundred and a thousand of Azeroth's best magi combined.

[omeomorfismo]

because powerful=\= invulnerable
think, you can have the big red button for all the nukes of the world, but a simply bullet in your head can stop you :|

[Raetary]

power doesnt make you invulnerable.
and power makes you ignorant, and an easy target because most power hungry, crazy and corrupted idiots dont give a shit about their surroundings and are an easy target.
or can be tricked like locks did with gul'dan in legion.

[Wildmoon]

They are very powerful but they are not as powerful as people are making them out to be. Medivh was the strongest magi around but his power level was still relatively not strong enough to just faceroll a mature blue dragon. He won but it was not easy. Guardians were never supposed to solo armies of the Legion. They were never be able to. Back in the time of Alodi, the order was created because none of theme was strong enough to deal with Kathra'Nathir who came back after his first defeat.

The same situation as Azshara. She was strong but people exaggerate her power level.

[Deleted]

It wasn't some footsoldiers. Damn. Have you red the last guardian? They told us several times Medivh/Sargeras could have wiped Lothar, Khadgar and Garona from existence in an instant. He did not. He could not. The last shred of humanity and sanity of Medivh stopped Sargeras from killing them on the spot. Because they were his friends and he refused to kill them, even when he was corrupted.

The guardian is incredibly powerful, even if this vision was exaggerated and I believe it was not. The cost is enormous, the strain on the body but especially the mind is what made Medivh succumb to Sargeras afterall. Khadgar in the end is right though, a single guardian can't possibly stand against this invasion. Even if he could repel them for a time, at some point his mind would break, maybe even his body. It's just the thing with being a guardian, forever forced to stand eternal vigil alone. With no friends, surrounded by enemies every waking second. That just fucks you up.

[Cizr]

The cost is enormous, the strain on the body but especially the mind is what made Medivh succumb to Sargeras afterall. .

Wasnt Medivh corrupted even before he was born? Aegwyn was fighting Sargeras when she was pregnant and he did some thing on her.

[Wildmoon]

It wasn't some footsoldiers. Damn. Have you red the last guardian? They told us several times Medivh/Sargeras could have wiped Lothar, Khadgar and Garona from existence in an instant. He did not. He could not. The last shred of humanity and sanity of Medivh stopped Sargeras from killing them on the spot. Because they were his friends and he refused to kill them, even when he was corrupted.

The guardian is incredibly powerful, even if this vision was exaggerated and I believe it was not. The cost is enormous, the strain on the body but especially the mind is what made Medivh succumb to Sargeras afterall. Khadgar in the end is right though, a single guardian can't possibly stand against this invasion. Even if he could repel them for a time, at some point his mind would break, maybe even his body. It's just the thing with being a guardian, forever forced to stand eternal vigil alone. With no friends, surrounded by enemies every waking second. That just fucks you up.

This is wrong. Medivh tried his hardest to kill the two.He was simply outmanuevered. At the very last moment, he even desperately tried to kill Khadgar before Lothar came and cut his head off. What Khadgar stated was that Medivh kept his friends around him to put him down in case he was too far gone.

[Rothion]

The fact that he said there was no guardian gives me hope that med'an was retconned xD

[Deleted]

Medivh was so confident and arrogant (rightfully so, considering that he was wrecking Khadgar, Garona and Lothar all at once with no effort) that he didn't even consider Garona, Khadgar and Lothar a threat. So he wasn't expecting Lothar to stab him while he was monologuing Khadgar.. Also Medivh was struggling with Sargeras for control while they were fighting, so it's very possible he lowered his guard so that his friends could kill him.

[Hyve]

The way in which I saw it, is that the Guardian takes time to build up and cast their spells. There isn't much they can do in an instant. Therefore, rushing them with Footmen is probably a good tactic. As long as the Guardian has the upper ground and has time to cast their spells, they're safe.

[Deleted]

This is wrong. Medivh tried his hardest to kill the two.He was simply outmanuevered. At the very last moment, he even desperately tried to kill Khadgar before Lothar came and cut his head off. What Khadgar stated was that Medivh kept his friends around him to put him down in case he was too far gone.

Not true or atleast not in the german version of the book. He has Garona broken down and Khadgar on the knees without power, aged beyond belief. He blatantly tells them its hard to kill them because Medihv wants to save them, because they were his friends. It gets easier though. He had them already defeated one page before Lothar even shows up. He did not kill them instantly, yet he had all the power to do so.

[Venziir]

I too like to disregard context and circumstances and word things jn a ridiculous manner

Did you know the original ashbringer, after fighting a handful of undead, was killed with a letter opener wielded by a emo teenager?

Did you know sargaras lost his physical form because the night elves basicly closed a door on his foot when he was walking in?

Cairne died because a cow lady put dirty water on garroshes weapon, which was just some metal on a stick.

Sargaras hurt his foot when it was poked by an orc with an extra hard toothpick.

He was killed with the Ashbringer, that's what corrupted it.

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So, Harbingers - Khadgar is out. It's a pretty good short but one question immediately springs to mind: Medivh got killed by a bunch of footmen, how the hell is the Guardian Mage is so powerful that it can counter the whole Legion? Why don't we just make a Guardian, when he's corrupted we'll just send a couple footmen on him so shrug.

Decaptitation tends to kill most things. Unless you are a hydra of course. Also, it was Lothar and Khadgar that killed him (Khadgar to be specific), not a bunch of footmen.

[rogoth]

the guardian of tirisfal was the most powerful magus in the world, imbued with the essence of the council itself (meaning that several mages relinquished their power to be absorbed by one being through a ritual), and with each new guardian, that power increased.

as to your inane question "why don't we just make a guardian?" the magic to do so has been lost to time, also, one does not merely "make a guardian", the person chosen must be a very powerful mage in their own right, and furthermore must be pure enough to not be corrupted by the power they possess, in medivh's case, he was fucked before he was even born, had he not been screwed by sargeras then it's possible he may have been a benevolent guardian and the best defense we had against the legion the first time but alas it wasn't to be.

[jdbond592]

Magna Aegywyn wiped the floor with demons on routine basis. Entire Legion expansion is her legacy.


Both Aegywyn and Medivh were a failure as the guardian. Medivh implies at the end of WC3 that world is better without such a position.


Could we make another guardian? Likely. Just need to find the "device" and enough willing mages. Real question is this, why bother? Azeroth has changed. One man can't matter against might of Legion.