The motivation behind these attacks were unclear.

[Rumblecrush]

http://diversitymachtfrei.blogspot.c...ver-up-in.html

It happened a week ago, but the police kept quiet about the incident and the church management did not file a complaint, it has only just come out: last Friday a 19-year-old Afghan stormed into the Versöhnungskirche [Church of Reconciliation] at around 7.20 pm in an open community evening in the Eilbek district of Hamburg. He threw chairs and benches around, kicked over a Bible stand, splintered the glass and threw hymn books onto the ground. According to an eye-witness, the church-goes present were very afraid and let him continue his destruction. No wonder, he was wearing swirling Islamic dress, which might have hidden a suicide belt.

The Muslim did not speak during his destructive rage and also had no connections to Salafists, therefore the State Protection department of the state criminal prosecution agency assumes there was no “Islamist” motive.
…Eyewitness Peter H, who sent PI the photo of the Afghan attacker, reports that he asked the Muslim in front of the church why he had done it as he ended his affray. The Afghan then screamed the answer: “Because I am a Muslim!”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...se-shower.html

The Belgian priest has been named locally as 65-year-old Jos Vanderlee
He reportedly let the asylum seeker use his shower at his home in Lanaken
The suspect allegedly asked the priest for money and then stabbed him
The mayor of Lanaken said the incident 'can't be linked to terrorism'

http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.en...News/1.2726087

A group of around 25 male asylum has been ejected from the Sfinks Mixed music festival at Boechout in Antwerp Province. According to witnesses the asylum-seekers were given their marching orders due to their sexual harassment of young girls. Two asylum-seekers were locked up in a police cell until the festival was over.

Wow, really? Locked up and forced to miss the entire show? I thought by the year 2016 we would be more humane

[Zoibert the Bear]

How could they not let them stay at the festival? What kind of world do we live in? Where simple people, with simple needs can't even enjoy some music, company and a tiny bit of innocent sexual harassment?

These incidents have no clear connection to Islam at all. It's a religion of peace and everything they do is for the benefit of humanity. The people performing these acts were most likely disguised middle-class white straight Christian males.

THEY are the scourge of humankind and should be eradicated.

[Dextroden]

It's very important that you guys be as smug as possible, so that you can let the world know that Christians never commit crimes, kill people, do immoral things, or anything else.

You know, a noticeable group of people do like to pretend only Islam is a problem. Just like every time something negative that can be linked to Islam, a noticeable group of people start bringing up Christianity.

The real question for you is do you bring up Islam's really absurd treatment of women and homosexuals when people talk about the opposition to abortions and gay marriage by political Christians an Christian groups? I've always wondered if people who do that do it for every religion.

[Underverse]

It's very important that you guys be as smug as possible, so that you can let the world know that Christians never commit crimes, kill people, do immoral things, or anything else.

Are all cultures the same?

Is it possible that one culture might lead to an increased incidence of violent behavior in comparison with another culture?

[May90]

I'm pretty hard on all religions, so there's that.

Uh... I know I need to spend less time in the Internet, when I take this the wrong way!

[Zoibert the Bear]

Uh... I know I need to spend less time in the Internet, when I take this the wrong way!

Don't worry, this is something so common that it's completely understandable.

I always get random erections while going through the Bible or the Quran.

[chrisfover87]

immigrants kill natives: motivation unclear, crime of passion, etc

natives kill immigrants: racism, hatred, etc

Perfectly reasonable.

[Underverse]

Is this a good faith, "I don't actually know the answer" question, or a "I'm gonna try to trick this guy with my super logic skills!" question?

Uh, I was just posing a rhetorical question to demonstrate the obvious. Not really any tricks involved, although I'm flattered that you think I was being crafty.

[Narwal]

It's very important that you guys be as smug as possible, so that you can let the world know that Christians never commit crimes, kill people, do immoral things, or anything else.

When those criminals start yelling "THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS ME" and using the religion as the REASON they're committing the crime, let me know. Very few people are killing people today and saying "The Bible tells me to do so".

[Sama-81]

It's very important that you guys be as smug as possible, so that you can let the world know that Christians never commit crimes, kill people, do immoral things, or anything else.

I don't think anyone would make that claim either. Very, very few crimes are actually committed in the name of christianity though, particularly in the region this took place (ie Europe). Pretending that there is no significant difference between christianity and islam in this regard, would be utterly moronic. That doesn't detract from the opinion that religion in itself can be a negative influence, if one is partial to said opinion.

[May90]

Don't worry, this is something so common that it's completely understandable.

I always get random erections while going through the Bible or the Quran.

Sure! I mean, all those stories about sexy angels... Hawt!

Although I prefer the Ancient Greek/Roman religions.

[Zoibert the Bear]

Sure! I mean, all those stories about sexy angels... Hawt!

Although I prefer the Ancient Greek/Roman religions.

I could fap to minotaurs all fucking day long.

[Lartok]

Are all cultures the same?

Is it possible that one culture might lead to an increased incidence of violent behavior in comparison with another culture?

Like say a culture that almost zealously believes people should have easy access to firearms?

[Serpha]

http://diversitymachtfrei.blogspot.c...ver-up-in.html




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...se-shower.html




http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.en...News/1.2726087



Wow, really? Locked up and forced to miss the entire show? I thought by the year 2016 we would be more humane

Hello? Tennisace?

[primalmatter]

So as long as someone doesn't talk about their religion while committing a crime, then it's ok? Is that the mistake that Isis makes?

Poe's law?

I can't tell if this is parody or a real person opinion anymore...

In case it is real. Some people can notice trends and enjoy mocking those that can't.

[Ryme]

It's very important that you guys be as smug as possible, so that you can let the world know that Christians never commit crimes, kill people, do immoral things, or anything else.

The issue with the smugness that often oozes out of out of these posts would be stifled a little if people were allowed to talk about these issues properly without fear of social backlash.

The current climate of debate here is to belittle and dehumanise anyone who has an issue with current immigration policies or the migrants themselves. It's little wonder then that these people are spiteful back when their issues or points are realised.

Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of racists out there and they will try to hijack things like this to their own benefit, but stifling all conversation on the issues, covering crimes up and screaming racist until it all goes away like we're seeing fairly often now is doing nothing to help.

[Netherspark]

Not all religiously motivated crime is terrorism...

[primalmatter]

It's fun when someone doesn't want to discuss the topic, but rather sits back smugly and takes comfort in the "obviousness" of how correct they are.

Do you honestly want to discuss the topic?

What is there exactly to discuss?

Every time the group of people that want to take realistic steps to stop this shit try to talk about it they are met with a barrage of #notallmuslims and shouted down as racists (For criticizing a religion of all things...).

If you want to discuss the topic on some level you have to realize this isn't something that will ever go away by hugging it out or being nicer to them. Till you are ready to admit that people are just going to point and laugh as you excuse the carnage.

[Narwal]

So as long as someone doesn't talk about their religion while committing a crime, then it's ok? Is that the mistake that Isis makes?

You have to remember, we're not really talking about religion in the true sense of a religion. You see, Islam is open for debate because it's not just a religion. It is one of the few religions where the faith/teachings/scripture is not simply a guide, but is the law of a country. Islam is a political rule of law. That means attacking someone as being a "muslim" from a sharia law country, is no different that talking about someone as a socialist from the USSR or a capitalist from the US.

When we talk about these people committing crimes as being "muslim", we're talking about islam as the set of laws they followed in their country of origin. A place where the law said woman are not worth a man, where sexual harrassment is not a crime for a man. So you see, there is a difference between talking/judging someone based on their religious belief, and on the laws they choose to live by. In this case, they're closely entwined and that makes it hard to understand the separation, but there is one.

[primalmatter]

So basically you're going to throw a bunch of stuff at me that I didn't say, nice.

I am going to point out the reality of the situation. You can look up news stories about women refusing to say immigrants raped them because they don't want immigrants looking bad...

One side of the conversation on this topic is utterly insane and until they are dealt with people are going to point and laugh while being smug because that is all they can do. One side refuses to do anything and continues to feed the problem.