China prepares for ‘sudden, cruel & short’ modern war

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I don't normally care for any of this alarmist stuff, but I did find today's news interesting especially since everyone has taken their eyes off China recently:



China holds massive naval drills to prepare for ‘sudden, cruel & short’ modern war

https://www.rt.com/news/354226-china-sea-navy-drills/

The Chinese navy held a large-scale “live ammunition” drill in the East China Sea, which involved hundreds of ships and submarines from all three fleets of the People’s Liberation Army.

The exercise involving China's East Sea, North Sea and South Sea fleets practiced both offensive and defensive capabilities of the Chinese naval power. The exercise mobilized some 300 ships, dozens of fighter planes, and involved troops that are responsible for coastal defense radars, communications, and electronic warfare defense, daily newspaper The China Times reported.

“The drill is aimed at honing the assault intensity, precision, stability and speed of troops amid heavy electromagnetic influences,” said a navy statement released Monday. “An information technology-based war at sea is sudden, cruel and short, which requires a fast transition to combat status, quick preparation and high assault efficiency.”

The participating troops and vessels were divided into red and blue teams. The red side joint-assault group perfected skills in attacking the blue side, while the blue team had to use missiles and torpedoes to counterattack their enemy. The drills overall covered a wide range of combat scenarios including reconnaissance, early warning, long-range precision strikes and air and missile defense capabilities of the navy.

China's Defense Ministry called the drills “routine” and not directed against any third party. The drills, however, come at a time of increased tensions in East Asia after an international arbitration tribunal last month rejected Chinese territorial claims to the South China Sea. Beijing rejected the decision by the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague calling the ruling “waste paper.”

Despite the court ruling, China continues to claim most of the South China Sea, through which more than $5 trillion in annual trade passes. Furthermore, China has repeatedly warned against US intervention in the region, which continues to show its force through the freedom of navigation principle.

“The People’s Liberation Army is ready,” one source with ties to the military told Reuters. “We should go in and give them a bloody nose like Deng Xiaoping did to Vietnam in 1979.”

Last week, Beijing also announced that it would hold a “routine” naval exercises in the South China Sea in September with Russia.

“This is a routine exercise between the two armed forces, aimed at strengthening the developing China-Russia strategic cooperative partnership,” China's defense ministry spokesman Yang Yujun told reporters. “The exercise is not directed against third parties.”

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The People’s Liberation Army is ready,” one source with ties to the military told Reuters. “We should go in and give them a bloody nose like Deng Xiaoping did to Vietnam in 1979.

LOL if Vietnamn did get a bloody nose it was becuse China did bleed so much....

[Moadar]

Wheres that shoddy "aircraft" carrier they bought unfinished from the Russians? You know the one that can't even have aircraft land or take off from it.

[Khadgar]

The United States would have no problem destroying the Chinese Airforce and Navy

[Rasulis]

LOL if Vietnamn did get a bloody nose it was becuse China did bleed so much....

The greenhorn Chinese military in 1979 was facing battle-hardened & experienced Vietnamese army which had just won two major confrontations (with U.S. and Pol Pot). Not to mention the lack of air support. The result was not surprising.

Back then Vietnam had experienced senior commanders and junior officers. Throughout the decades, this highly experienced leadership has waned as a result of a lack of direct threats. Not to mention lack of funds to upgrade their military technology. The result of a repeat engagement may not be quite so predictable this time.

[twelvethirty]

The greenhorn Chinese military in 1979 was facing battle-hardened & experienced Vietnamese army which had just won two major confrontations (with U.S. and Pol Pot). Not to mention the lack of air support. The result was not surprising.

Back then Vietnam had experienced senior commanders and junior officers. Throughout the decades, this highly experienced leadership has waned as a result of a lack of direct threats. Not to mention lack of funds to upgrade their military technology. The result of a repeat engagement may not be quite so predictable this time.

The us has been at war for over a decade, China is green as grass. Still wouldn't want to see it, just saying the truth

[caervek]

Wheres that shoddy "aircraft" carrier they bought unfinished from the Russians? You know the one that can't even have aircraft land or take off from it.

Chinese waters probably, it was commissioned in 2012 (and they bought it unfinished from the Ukrainians, different type of former Soviets).

[Deleted]

So China is preparing for war, I fail to see the issue when everyone else is doing the same.

[Kellhound]

A sudden ramp-up in naval warfare favors those who can move into the area the fastest with the proper capabilities. The US has 54 nuclear attack subs and 4 SSGNs that can steam at near silence at ~20kts indefinitely, China has 3 modern and 3 massively obsolete SSNs. They do have a couple dozen SSKs, but they are slow and have limited endurance.

[Kuntantee]

A sudden ramp-up in naval warfare favors those who can move into the area the fastest with the proper capabilities. The US has 54 nuclear attack subs and 4 SSGNs that can steam at near silence at ~20kts indefinitely, China has 3 modern and 3 massively obsolete SSNs. They do have a couple dozen SSKs, but they are slow and have limited endurance.

I am not sure why nukes suddenly count. If you nuke China, China will nuke you. Is nuclear exchange what you desire, or small skirmishes, battles in pacific?

Everyone needs to chill the fuck out, and force their narrative to conventional warfare.

[Ripster42]

I am not sure why nukes suddenly count. If you nuke China, China will nuke you. Is nuclear exchange what you desire, or small skirmishes, battles in pacific?

Everyone needs to chill the fuck out, and force their narrative to conventional warfare.

China does not really have MAD with us in a first strike scenario if what I remember from @Skroe saying is accurate.

[Easo]

I am not sure why nukes suddenly count. If you nuke China, China will nuke you. Is nuclear exchange what you desire, or small skirmishes, battles in pacific?

Everyone needs to chill the fuck out, and force their narrative to conventional warfare.

IF we really go into nuking discussion, then said nuking capabilities of USA are vastly bigger than China's and not really comparable.

[Vivapin8]

I am not sure why nukes suddenly count. If you nuke China, China will nuke you. Is nuclear exchange what you desire, or small skirmishes, battles in pacific?

Everyone needs to chill the fuck out, and force their narrative to conventional warfare.

First it was ulmita talking all the time over nukes, but it looks like Skroe and Kellhound got infected with the ulmitalovenukes virus, ust check there last post´s

[Kellhound]

I am not sure why nukes suddenly count. If you nuke China, China will nuke you. Is nuclear exchange what you desire, or small skirmishes, battles in pacific?

Everyone needs to chill the fuck out, and force their narrative to conventional warfare.

Nuclear as in nuclear POWERED. When a sub is referred to as a nuclear attack sub it means it is a SSN (Attack Sub-Nuclear Powered). I specifically avoided adding SSBNs in either country's sub totals.

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First it was ulmita talking all the time over nukes, but it looks like Skroe and Kellhound got infected with the ulmitalovenukes virus, ust check there last post´s

Understanding their effects is not the same as supporting them. I personally detest them. Some of my fondest memories from the Navy are helping remove the nuclear weapons capability off the A-6 and destroying the nuclear weapons deployment manuals on my ship.

[Deleted]

The United States would have no problem destroying the Chinese Airforce and Navy

The same United States that can't even hold Afghanistan and Iraq?

[Sunseeker]

I don't normally care for any of this alarmist stuff, but I did find today's news interesting especially since everyone has taken their eyes off China recently:"

Maybe it's just you? Nobody's taken their eyes of China. China's all over the news, even the common man knows about China. From trade issues to the South China Sea to blowhard generals promoting war.

[TwoNineMarine]

Our naval and air forces would decimate their entire fleet in a matter of hours.

[Socialhealer]

The same United States that can't even hold Afghanistan and Iraq?

planes and ships are much easier to destroy, than some terrorists hiding in the mountains and around civilians.

[Kellhound]

The same United States that can't even hold Afghanistan and Iraq?

You are comparing asymmetric land warfare between state and non-state actors and symmetric warfare at sea between two state actors.......

[Enthusiastic Steward]

The same United States that can't even hold Afghanistan and Iraq?

Two national navies engaging in a sea battle is not the same as rooting out insurgents from remote mountains or hiding amongst an urban population in a war zone. The scenarios are not comparable. The scenario you would be looking for is "The same United States Air Force that can't defeat the Iraqi Air Force?". What you're talking about is completely different apart from the fact that the US armed forces are involved, that's the only common thread between what we're talking about and what you're talking about.

Yes, I'm aware posters above me just said this. I'm repeating it because it should be that fucking obvious.