Stun, Why?

[Cempa]

Stun is one of the forms of CC which for Legion have taken the forefront power wise .. Stun 'tunneling' is the thing of Legion PvP and I hate it .. It is almost as bad as dying inside a triple fear back when that was a thing.

Its clear Act-Blizz decided stuns should be the theme of Legion just not sure why seeing how EVERYONE wants less CC .. Blizz reduced CC on one hand and increased stun on the other ..

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Because rogues have to remain the op pussy easy mode class in pvp

[Deleted]

Because rogues have to remain the op pussy easy mode class in pvp

Rofl.

This thread is going places. Now if we could just fit all the baddies in here at once, make it a megathread and make sure they couldnt post anywhere else.

Hell MMO-C might even be a pleasent place

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Rofl.

This thread is going places. Now if we could just fit all the baddies in here at once, make it a megathread and make sure they couldnt post anywhere else.

Hell MMO-C might even be a pleasent place

Seems I fished some random rogue FOTM reroller

[Mumba]

Just roll orc and never look back.

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Seems I fished some random rogue FOTM reroller

Tell me, are there many rogues at 1k rating?

[Cempa]

Just roll orc and never look back.

25% of 100 is 25 and 20% of that remaining 75 is only 15 for a total of 40% .. If you apply the 20% first and then the 25%, you get the same amount of 40% reduction ..

So Orc's can have a passive 40% reduction to stun duration? Is the above math correct?

[minteK917]

They did not add a single stun to any class. The only new stun are the one on demon hunters. The ranged stun of outlaw which replaces kidney shot for that spec. They did remove stuns, like deep freeze.

As for rogue FotM, rogue remains one of the least populated class, even at its peak of power in the life of this game, rogue class was unpopular. Its unlikely legion will change that with DH around. Its more likely rogues people are staying rogues..

[Kmids]

Because rogues have to remain the op pussy easy mode class in pvp

Dude, you have forgotten your meds today. Rogues do have a nice single target burst, so sorry if you get owned here and there.
However, as soon as we're spotted, we get targeted by pretty much everyone, and cc'ed to hell.
So dont whine about your own inability to play and call rogues OP plz :-)

[Azzurri]

They did not add a single stun to any class. The only new stun are the one on demon hunters. The ranged stun of outlaw which replaces kidney shot for that spec. They did remove stuns, like deep freeze.

I think the problem is they got rid of CC reducers so this is why it feels like you're stunned forever.

[Gorgodeus]

Stun is one of the forms of CC which for Legion have taken the forefront power wise .. Stun 'tunneling' is the thing of Legion PvP and I hate it .. It is almost as bad as dying inside a triple fear back when that was a thing.

Its clear Act-Blizz decided stuns should be the theme of Legion just not sure why seeing how EVERYONE wants less CC .. Blizz reduced CC on one hand and increased stun on the other ..

Stuns have always been the OP CC method in PvP simply because they do not break on damage, whereas the other forms of CC do.

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They did not add a single stun to any class. The only new stun are the one on demon hunters. The ranged stun of outlaw which replaces kidney shot for that spec. They did remove stuns, like deep freeze.

As for rogue FotM, rogue remains one of the least populated class, even at its peak of power in the life of this game, rogue class was unpopular. Its unlikely legion will change that with DH around. Its more likely rogues people are staying rogues..

Everyone spouts this nonsense when they are looking at overall population. Rogue is far from least populated when it comes to PvP, which is what we are talking about.

[minteK917]

Stuns have always been the OP CC method in PvP simply because they do not break on damage, whereas the other forms of CC do.

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Everyone spouts this nonsense when they are looking at overall population. Rogue is far from least populated when it comes to PvP, which is what we are talking about.

At higher rating rogues are more prominent, in pvp in general, bg and such rogue arent even close to the most popular class. You are often the single rogue on your own side of a bg. At most theres 2 of you. Paladin, warrior, hunter, druid, fills way more battlegrounds then rogues.

[Gorgodeus]

At higher rating rogues are more prominent, in pvp in general, bg and such rogue arent even close to the most popular class. You are often the single rogue on your own side of a bg. At most theres 2 of you. Paladin, warrior, hunter, fills way more battlegrounds then rogues.

And why exactly do you think rogues are less prominent at lower ratings? Because they are high pop in regards to overall, mainly PvE. In PvP that matters, they are highly represented, and I doubt the average scrub rogue that just does a little PvP here and there is the issue the OP speaks of.

[minteK917]

The op did not mention rogues once.

Also rogues did not get more stuns, the issue of rogue being god tier along with fire mages, arm warriors, ww monks and shadow priest at 110 has nothing to with do stuns. It has more to do with PVP talents and artifact unbalances accross specs. You can tell a garbage spec (ret) by just looking at its PVP talents (jack shit) and its arftifact ability effect in pvp.... AOE melee range little burst, 5 holy power, a snare on a long cooldown (aka shit). While outlaw get monstrous stuff like Control king that gives it the power of Adren rush (3 minute burst cooldown) when ever someone is stunned/poly/silences 40 yards around the rogue. And an artifact weapon ability that just an extra burst cooldown to spam finishers on a low cooldown, in a spec that has a buff to reduce all its cooldown very quickly.

Thats why Outlaw is god tier and ret is garbage tier. Not their stuns. Ret has a good stun.

[Ealyssa]

Blizz reduced CC on one hand and increased stun on the other ..

They actually didn't increase stuns, at all.

Its just that being the stronger form of CC, and CC being overall less present, it leads to the game being even more focused on this short period of hard control.

[Deleted]

Dude, you have forgotten your meds today. Rogues do have a nice single target burst, so sorry if you get owned here and there.
However, as soon as we're spotted, we get targeted by pretty much everyone, and cc'ed to hell.
So dont whine about your own inability to play and call rogues OP plz :-)

Haha yeah right, its all about skill if you get blasted during an opener with the trinket still on CD on therefore impossibility to escape death,just like affli warlocks bursting people with one spell are doing that just because they are "so good and skilled" not because of lack of class balance.

You rogues are the most hilarious community when it comes to pvp balance, remember when all the rogues where crying at the start of MOP because you couldn't faceroll everything on sight anymore? And blizzard made you op again during 5.2 (or 5.3?) where you could literally burst someone down just with subterfuge non sense

In the meantime most casters get targeted and "CC'ed to hell" as well but they don't have the mobility nor the instant reset easy mode spells called vanish,shadowcloak or the finally dead burst of speed. So no, rogues really don't have any room to whine about anything in pvp settings

[klaps_05]

its good that most other stuff is gone, but rogues arent that bad. if you are alliance, you roll human and with EMFH + 25% cc reduction nothing lasts very long. horde side if you go orc + 25% cc reduction full stuns are like a casual gauge

[Kmids]

Haha yeah right, its all about skill if you get blasted during an opener with the trinket still on CD on therefore impossibility to escape death,just like affli warlocks bursting people with one spell are doing that just because they are "so good and skilled" not because of lack of class balance.

You rogues are the most hilarious community when it comes to pvp balance, remember when all the rogues where crying at the start of MOP because you couldn't faceroll everything on sight anymore? And blizzard made you op again during 5.2 (or 5.3?) where you could literally burst someone down just with subterfuge non sense

In the meantime most casters get targeted and "CC'ed to hell" as well but they don't have the mobility nor the instant reset easy mode spells called vanish,shadowcloak or the finally dead burst of speed. So no, rogues really don't have any room to whine about anything in pvp settings

I told you to stop whining, but all I see is more whining, you are boring me m8 :-)

[Saverem]

Has anyone figured why they still haven't made stun break after a certain amount of damage like with fear/root?

[Trollfat]

Just roll orc and never look back.

Yep Orcs are pretty much mandatory for Horde side in Legion.