Gamescom Developer Interview, Legion World Quests Preview, Blue Posts, DLC #548

[JaceDraccus]

Well, the random people wouldn't have too since he would be the one teaching his friend? Don't see what's hard to understand about that...

The point is that he expects everyone else in the group to accomodate him and his friend, when he's reluctant to accomodate anyone else.

[teverin]

I'm pretty much that person in the blue posts, and the response in this thread unfortunately doesn't surprise me at all.

It's a shame, because I enjoy WoW as a game, its world and lore and everything. But the community is so fucking ridiculous and the devs listen to them.

Think I'll go back to FFXIV where I can anonymously queue for something semi-challenging like Weeping City of Mhach, guildless, friendless, and still spend a nice moment with strangers and get up-to-date loot with cool models. Haven't had this much fun with "LFR" since Lei Shen. But nah, WoW devs have somehow decided that LFR and LFD should now be braindead with worthless ugly loot.

So sorry the MMO made you talk to other people...

[Explicit Teemo Nudes]

Gigz <3

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I4m blown away by the people who hate the new Mythic dungeon stuff. It's the best thing that could Happen to small PvE groups. And I'm a PvP player at first, I absolutely welcome the new Mythic DGN system

I don't think there are many people that dislike the new mythic dungeon system.
What some people dislike is that there are two dungeons with only a mythic mode, and no other mode. Roleplayers and players that just want to see the whole story, or every story in the world(of warcraft) do not like that there isn't an easier version of these dungeons that suit them so that they can experience them.

[teverin]

One more thing that I want people to think about. Why do you assume there is such a stark difference between a group assembled in the dungeon finder and one assembled through the group finder? They are both just a random pool of players, the only real difference is you have to assemble the group yourself. Why is it so different if the game does it for you?

Because making the group yourself shows you are willing to put in the extra effort. If I use the finder to actually search through groups or put up my own group I tend to think that the people who join are more willing to talk things through. LFG people just press a button and wait.

[Chetti]

Good god those people complaining about having to actually get groups for Mythic+ were so fucking cringy.

The thing is, it would be that same type of person that would complain if you could just queue up for a random Mythic+ that they were "too hard" for a group of random people. If they were to make it so you could queue for it, they'd have to pick a base ilvl to require to queue. This is that "gating" thing the person questioning was talking about. Lets say they meet that ilvl and queue up, get grouped with others that fall at or above the ilvl and they go in. You'd think getting to the required item level would mean people are comfortable in their role, know how their class works, have good awareness, all that good stuff. But you don't know these people at all. Someone takes the lead and suggests something, like CC, or the tank just runs in and starts pulling things. Trash pulls go ok, but now it's boss time. Does everyone know the fight? Does this random group of people take the time to discuss if everyone knows the fight? From experience in early heroics in most expansions, no they don't. Boss gets pulled, everyone tries to wing it. It fails horribly. Rinse, repeat the rest of the dungeon. Who knows how many wipes later and how much time has passed, it'd finally over and you've either gotten loot or you haven't, and you've paid a repair bill higher than any gold that you picked up. Some lessons can be learned here. Go in more prepared the next time, try to talk to your group, try to find out what page everyone is on, but that only goes so far - the rest have to be willing to communicate as well. The other option is complain that they're too hard, and from the extent of those already complaining before we even get to see a mythic, let alone a Mythic +, it is easy to see which side they'd fall on. Though the "questions" would then be "how are we supposed to survive these mechanics in random groups?" "the damage is too high, can it be tuned down?" The flip side is that Blizzard will take notice of more people queuing up in groups of 3 or more, if not full groups, just to avoid the amount of rng in the people they'll be grouped with. This was probably noticed in some of the harder heroics of past expansions with the dungeon finder.
What I don't understand is what exactly their problem IS. If Mythic or Mythic+ isn't content they are intersted in doing, then simply don't. Don't say that you only do LFD/LFR and complain that there is more content out there that you just don't want to persue. Yes, it requires more effort, earning more gear, actually socializing in this giant MMO, maybe even being part of a guild to make grouping easier. Difficult content, high end content, has always been there. It used to be heroic raiding, now it's mythic raiding. But also, for smaller groups, mythic dungeons. There will always be content that some players just don't do, and that is ok, there are other things to do. To claim to not know mythic dungeons existed, yet still post questions to the blues, just makes no sense at all. Read sites and yet somehow miss a feature of the current expansion and complain about a feature of the new expansion. I think some people just complain because they want to complain.

[Explicit Teemo Nudes]

So what time for EU is this exactly?

It'll release 00:01 August 30 for EU. Don't think about US times. EU will get the expansion before US.

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Because making the group yourself shows you are willing to put in the extra effort. If I use the finder to actually search through groups or put up my own group I tend to think that the people who join are more willing to talk things through. LFG people just press a button and wait.

Oooor they just swear, harass and kick you if you don't play like a mythic(raid) player.

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The thing is, it would be that same type of person that would complain if you could just queue up for a random Mythic+ that they were "too hard" for a group of random people. If they were to make it so you could queue for it, they'd have to pick a base ilvl to require to queue. This is that "gating" thing the person questioning was talking about. Lets say they meet that ilvl and queue up, get grouped with others that fall at or above the ilvl and they go in. You'd think getting to the required item level would mean people are comfortable in their role, know how their class works, have good awareness, all that good stuff. But you don't know these people at all. Someone takes the lead and suggests something, like CC, or the tank just runs in and starts pulling things. Trash pulls go ok, but now it's boss time. Does everyone know the fight? Does this random group of people take the time to discuss if everyone knows the fight? From experience in early heroics in most expansions, no they don't. Boss gets pulled, everyone tries to wing it. It fails horribly. Rinse, repeat the rest of the dungeon. Who knows how many wipes later and how much time has passed, it'd finally over and you've either gotten loot or you haven't, and you've paid a repair bill higher than any gold that you picked up. Some lessons can be learned here. Go in more prepared the next time, try to talk to your group, try to find out what page everyone is on, but that only goes so far - the rest have to be willing to communicate as well. The other option is complain that they're too hard, and from the extent of those already complaining before we even get to see a mythic, let alone a Mythic +, it is easy to see which side they'd fall on. Though the "questions" would then be "how are we supposed to survive these mechanics in random groups?" "the damage is too high, can it be tuned down?" The flip side is that Blizzard will take notice of more people queuing up in groups of 3 or more, if not full groups, just to avoid the amount of rng in the people they'll be grouped with. This was probably noticed in some of the harder heroics of past expansions with the dungeon finder.
What I don't understand is what exactly their problem IS. If Mythic or Mythic+ isn't content they are intersted in doing, then simply don't. Don't say that you only do LFD/LFR and complain that there is more content out there that you just don't want to persue. Yes, it requires more effort, earning more gear, actually socializing in this giant MMO, maybe even being part of a guild to make grouping easier. Difficult content, high end content, has always been there. It used to be heroic raiding, now it's mythic raiding. But also, for smaller groups, mythic dungeons. There will always be content that some players just don't do, and that is ok, there are other things to do. To claim to not know mythic dungeons existed, yet still post questions to the blues, just makes no sense at all. Read sites and yet somehow miss a feature of the current expansion and complain about a feature of the new expansion. I think some people just complain because they want to complain.

These people wouldn't complain about these mythic dungeons if there was an easy version of these 2-3(?) dungeons. Some people just want to see the full story in the game. Blizzard created LFR for these people, so they probably wouldn't mind if Blizzard made normal dungeon difficulty versions without any loot.
I mean, these dungeons were supposed to come with normal versions, but Blizzard decided to only have mythic versions because these dungeons fucked up the reputation grind with some faction in Suramar I think.

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That's exactly what I was thinking when I was reading those questions, I have not had an problems using the LFG tool, and I've tried it on a varied number of ilvl-ed toons to do HFC (I even got group as a post-patch Survival hunter with a 698 iLvl for Heroic Mannoroth).
Sometimes I think they just can't be real - those white questions, I mean - they're too whiny to be true.
I'm looking over to using it even more now tat we're gonna have a crapton of things to do in Legion, as previously I've used it mainly to do raids and Mdungeons with alts.

I think most of these people have been burned so many times before they have stopped bothering with the LFG tool. It also depends on what realm you play on. From my experience realms with high populations tend to be more elitist, vicious and ask for way higher ilvl than needed, and people tend to have a lot less patience.

Personally I have stopped trying. If you don't have higher ilvl than you get from the dungeon/raid and you don't have an achievement to show up, don't even bother. I'd be surprised if this has changed.

[Tisane]

The Flight Master’s Whistle is one of the most-useful items around—when you activate it, you’ll be (almost) instantly whisked away to the nearest known flight master.

Does this mean you pretty much don't have to move yourself anymore to travel somewhere in Legion? It'll all just be flight paths and teleportation?

[Deleted]

That was a clear example that the Blizzard employees don't play their own game.

You cannot even make your own Mythic group... You can be snaeky about your ilvl but when they inspect you they will leave... Nobody likes leechers no matter how hard you try you end up on the ignore list or worse. Before the nerf you couldn't make a good group for Mythic dungeon without 710+ilvl.

Mythic dungeons are simply not worth our time. It is too much effort... 1-2hours (making a group, finding people, replacing people, kick people) for lower ilvl gear (you run these dungeons with 715+ilvl and the lootable is 685...).

[Deleted]

Does this mean you pretty much don't have to move yourself anymore to travel somewhere in Legion? It'll all just be flight paths and teleportation?

Not sure what it means but I take it as we get to discover flight paths first while leveling so we still need to run but don't have to do that as much when we have already leveled up and discovered every place. Whistle only teleports to near flight path (maybe it has some max distance it can teleport, so not through half of zone) if I understood it correctly. Then I am not sure if we can use the whistle from the start or at level 110. It could be quite useful, especially that normal flying won't be available for some time.

[Aggrax]

Does this mean you pretty much don't have to move yourself anymore to travel somewhere in Legion? It'll all just be flight paths and teleportation?

No. If you have a quest you want to do, you have to fly to the nearest point and then move to that quest. Once your done, you can then use the whistle to go to the nearest flight master and go somewhere else. It's basically the same as setting your hearthstone to a central location, hearthing there after every quest and then flying somewhere else, but with slightly more location flexibility.

[vaeevictiss]

im really diggin this recent DLC comic lol. That could actually be a legit title for the new raid...or "Crusher of Nightmares" at least.

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That was a clear example that the Blizzard employees don't play their own game.

You cannot even make your own Mythic group... You can be sneaky about your ilvl but when they inspect you they will leave... Nobody likes leechers no matter how hard you try you end up on the ignore list or worse. Before the nerf you couldn't make a good group for Mythic dungeon without 710+ilvl.

Mythic dungeons are simply not worth our time. It is too much effort... 1-2hours (making a group, finding people, replacing people, kick people) for lower ilvl gear (you run these dungeons with 715+ilvl and the lootable is 685...).

I guess that Mythic dungeons without LFG tool are punishment for all those who were complaining to Blizzard about LFG runining all fun, social game-play and such. These people (often old Wow gamers) wanted LFG to be removed and argued that people would be much more social if they HAD to be social. Mythic dungeons (or how were they called in past two expansions) are just such opportunity.

[chewie49]

I honestly prefer passive trinkets instead of the use ones. I otherwise forget/save them till a boss fight. Would be much nicer to have the thing proc'ing while questing/instancing imo

[Murderdoll]

Melee may be a little stronger in Mythic+ dungeons while ranged are a little stronger in raids, which is fine as long as the gap isn't too large.
The team doesn't want to solve the melee vs ranged problem by making life boring for melee and making raid mechanics that don't target them at all.
The community doesn't do a great job when something is 1% better and they claim it is the only viable option and everything else is garbage.

Good. It felt shit to have melee just escape doing mechanics.

However, I have an issue with their last sentence.

Its not the community's fault that ranged are a REQUIREMENT for raids. Its not the community's fault that ranged simply deal with mechanics easier. Its not the community's fault that majority of fights are simply easier with fewer melee and if Blizzard thinks the difference is 1% they are having a laugh at our expense.

There were instances where there were up to 70% in damage done differences this expansion. There were ranged that were better at handling mechanics and then took a collective shit all over melee during HM and BRF.