How did thrall lose his powers?

[Verdugo]

Yeah it's extremely messy and makes absolutely no sense. Not to mention, that killing Garrosh stopped the alternate Warsong Clan, who were enslaving and tormenting wind elementals throughout the entire Nagrand. But nooooooooooooeeeeh, the Furies are just angry bastards.

You cant blame them for not being consistent, elements were always dumb and pissy.

[Venziir]

A) The elements might not care about the fact that he did something evil against someone that twisted the elements.
B) It's absurd to start thinking in terms of 'communication distance' in a fantasy world. That is seriously overthinking stuff. "How does Illidan talk to us while we're dead in the Twisting Nether on Marduum?" - Secondly they could just 'sense' it, they could've had Doomhammer 'tell them' etc.
C) It's how the writers wrote it. Writers write their stuff, it's their world, their fantasy, once you disagree with the writers you should go write your own fan fiction instead and see if people like it any better.

Writers aren't perfect beings; they forget things, they make mistakes. Just look at the Red Shirt Guy and Falstad issue a couple of years ago. Of course we can point out when authors and writers makes mistakes.

[Venziir]

Yeah, sure, but I find this whole criticism on "Thrall losing his powers" not being rooted in any 'fact checking' but rather more on some annoyance of disagreement with the morality behind it. Or to put it differently: Some people are just butthurt that someone got punished by some of the cosmic powers for being an asshole against Garrosh.

There is some irrational Garrosh-hatred on these lore boards, from people who are a bit too obsessed with 'justice' and 'good' in a fantasy world. Or maybe they feel offended in a way that they feel they would've treated Garrosh the same way and basically are being told that their choice wouldn't have been considered "lawfully good" in that world.

The fact is, that it doesn't make 100% sense, because Blizzard are, yet again, ambiguous. It simply does not make sense, that Thrall is punished, for killing Garrosh, who was a menace to everything and everyone.

[SoundOfGuns]

I would not know why the elementals would really care about Garrosh tho. Or how Thrall handled that.

Don't get me wrong. I agree with Garrosh to be honest. Thrall DID let Garrosh pick up the pieces and clean up after him. Thrall may did not make Garrosh a warmongering maniac and sure as heck led the Horde very well, but A LOT of what happened is Thralls fault. He should be disappointed in himself, his decisions to leave the Horde at that time and is judgement in making Garrosh Warchief what he clearly wasn't made for, not in Garrosh. In fact, a lot of things happening later on were caused because Thrall had been to leniant in some cases. Like with the Grimtotem. But Thralls is like. "Nope, did everything right! Go die!" and crushes him with a bloody stonehand and grills him with lightning.

So yea... i would get why the Elementals would be... upset with their personal Orc-Jesus not seeing his own mistakes... but... that's all. And... i mean... ARE they this way? I didn't get the vibe they would give a crap. But... maybe i missed a thing.

p.s.: If its a "Does it make sense?"-Argument... you can't bring up Gameplay-related things to compare with when its about lore. Just not working out, bud.

[Factoral]

But wasn't Thrall able to summon stone bridges in the broken shore scenario?

Yeh he did. Which is why I was questioning how he lost his powers? It seems like he didn't lose his powers, but that he is not able to do as much due to it being harder for him now.

[Balinus]

Okay, here we go!

A mak'gora is a ritualistic duel to the death, in which each person must choose one and only one weapon.

In Nagrand, after the Alliance and the Horde were fighting a lot against the Iron Horde, Thrall steps in and declares mak'gora against Garrosh Hellscream.

Garrosh chooses Gorehowl, and Thrall the Doomhammer. I suggest you watch the Nagrand finale cinematic to see how it plays out. In the end, Thrall commands the elements to kill Garrosh, effectively cheating in the rules of mak'gora.

For having cheated and abused of the elements, they become silent to him, presumably for a time until he "learns his lesson".

Thus, after Thrall loses the Doomhammer to some demons and it falls into the Deepholm, and the player shaman helps retrieve it, Thrall decides to pass on the weapon to the shaman.

Makgora wasnt supposed to be a duel to the death. If u remember at the time of WoTLK, they already started a Makgora and Thrall was using his powers, armor, and stuff. This makgora to death, naked and with only 1 weapon, was garrosh's doin. So Thrall didnt cheated, he fought by his own Makgora, not Garrosh's. That is just stupid. In my opnion, the elements abandon him because he killed Garrosh, he must feel guilty or something.

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And who the hell told u guys that Doomhammer was forged BY the elements?????????? From wowpedia itaself ''The head of the hammer was forged in a pool of elemental lava on Draenor by an orc named Gelnar''. Get real.......

[Ealyssa]

He got married/had a kid... It will do it to you everytime.

The most truth in this thread.

[Pundit]

I think it's fairly obvious that he considered Garrosh to be like a son to him. Being forced to kill him means facing the idea that he failed as a father figure. Since he JUUUST had a kid, I imagine this has created intense feelings of guilt and doubt about his ability to pass his knowledge and wisdom on to his actual child, and this turmoil has caused his relationship with the elements to be somewhat interrupted. This is why he saw how powerful you are and allowed you to take Doomhammer.

He's going to have another arc where he learns to regain his confidence and forgive himself for what happened.

[Cl4nK]

Okay, here we go!

A mak'gora is a ritualistic duel to the death, in which each person must choose one and only one weapon.

In Nagrand, after the Alliance and the Horde were fighting a lot against the Iron Horde, Thrall steps in and declares mak'gora against Garrosh Hellscream.

Garrosh chooses Gorehowl, and Thrall the Doomhammer. I suggest you watch the Nagrand finale cinematic to see how it plays out. In the end, Thrall commands the elements to kill Garrosh, effectively cheating in the rules of mak'gora.

For having cheated and abused of the elements, they become silent to him, presumably for a time until he "learns his lesson".

Thus, after Thrall loses the Doomhammer to some demons and it falls into the Deepholm, and the player shaman helps retrieve it, Thrall decides to pass on the weapon to the shaman.

Heh, kinda, the Elements didn't "abandon" Thrall because he cheated. These conditions have already been overlooked before, and nothing happened. Including fighting with armor, including fighting using powers. The difference is, Thrall used the elements to get revenge, simple and plain. That's the thing. He did abuse his powers, but not because he was fighting a Mak'gora, because he already did that before, but because he used his powers with only one intent, to kill.

[Aucald]

I've actually never thought of it that way - the elements of Azeroth (which he's using in the Broken Shore, etc. etc.) likely don't care about Mak'gora or the duel with Garrosh because they weren't there, and weren't called upon. But the Draenic Elemental Furies, the same that blessed and empowered the Doomhammer, likely do. And since the Doomhammer is an extension of them, it makes sense they would be able to "deaden" it at least for Thrall's use.

[Heladys]

Thrall is a stinking killstealer, he claimed the Garrosh kill for himself and the elements shunned him.

[Factoral]

I think it's fairly obvious that he considered Garrosh to be like a son to him. Being forced to kill him means facing the idea that he failed as a father figure. Since he JUUUST had a kid, I imagine this has created intense feelings of guilt and doubt about his ability to pass his knowledge and wisdom on to his actual child, and this turmoil has caused his relationship with the elements to be somewhat interrupted. This is why he saw how powerful you are and allowed you to take Doomhammer.

He's going to have another arc where he learns to regain his confidence and forgive himself for what happened.

I quite like this idea.

[Venziir]

It makes perfect sense to me.

I find it really absurd to claim it doesn't make sense. You know what else doesn't make sense? Flying dragons and humans being able to throw fireballs. You either accept those 'truths' or you don't.

Pardon my French, but that's fucking bollocks. That's a logical fallacy beyond anything I've seen for a long time, and basically unworthy of a dignified response aside from, perhaps, a facepalm.

[Aucald]

I think it's fairly obvious that he considered Garrosh to be like a son to him. Being forced to kill him means facing the idea that he failed as a father figure. Since he JUUUST had a kid, I imagine this has created intense feelings of guilt and doubt about his ability to pass his knowledge and wisdom on to his actual child, and this turmoil has caused his relationship with the elements to be somewhat interrupted. This is why he saw how powerful you are and allowed you to take Doomhammer.

He's going to have another arc where he learns to regain his confidence and forgive himself for what happened.

That's what I've always maintained. Thrall has a history of letting his emotions interfere with his Shamanism and his connection to the Elements, and I figure the emotional conflict of killing Garrosh (who had entering into a kind of foster father/son type of relationship over time) has made him have the same issues he did pre-Cataclysm.

[Revo94]

Because he killed an ***hole called Garrosh Hellscream

[Rend Blackhand]

The fact is, that it doesn't make 100% sense, because Blizzard are, yet again, ambiguous. It simply does not make sense, that Thrall is punished, for killing Garrosh, who was a menace to everything and everyone.

Thing is, Thrall didn't kill Garrosh. He forced the elements to kill Garrosh with a lightning bolt, crushing him wth an elemental hand of earth and throwing him around with wind. Total overkill.

Also, he just leaves Garrosh there. No proper burial or anything, shamanism isn't just about talking to the spirits, it's the cornerstone of Orcish culture.

It's quite a complex scenario but I think ultimately it makes sense for the elements to be pissed off

[themengsk176]

The elements don't give a crap about some silly orc duelling ceremony. Why would the elements on Azeroth give two shits about something Thrall did on an alternate planet, in an alternate timeline? Thrall's own sense of guilt is hampering his ability to control and harness his elemental powers, and thus his connection with doomhammer.

The orcs are just one race of many on Azeroth, acting as if the elements are interested in the rules of some silly mortal ritual doesn't make any sense.

[Deathknightish]

Has nothing to do with the elements being pissed at Thrall. If anything they should rejoice considering what Garrosh did to them. Most likely they don't give a fuck about mortal affairs though.

No, it has everything to do with Thrall's self-esteem and self-confidence. Garrosh's "YOU MADE ME WHAT I AM" really took to heart, and Thrall feels like he failed him, and most likely ran into some kind of depression or anxiety.

People take one line way too seriously and starts to overanalysing it (the one where Thrall mentions in the artifact quest that the elements don't listen to him like they used to since Garrosh). It's far more likely that it's just personal reasons hindering him from weilding the Doomhammer properly.

[Deleted]

The problem is people putting Legion lore into nowadays storyline. Thrall has clearly NOT lost the link to the elements AS OF THE BROKEN SHORE SCENARIO. But people are contaminated by Legion spoilers and create a messy mix of story.

[Saracens]

He got married.