[Guardian] 7.2.5 Legion Guardian Guide by Pumps

[Bearygood]

@Ausr you do take less damage from players; you take so much less that they had to have a modifier just to make you not unbelievably overpowered. Personally I find myself to be extremely powerful in the rare instance that I pvp.

@Bearygood When you're at 5 stacks; ideally replacing a swipe just before a thrash

So 5 stacks use pulv-3 stacks use thrashx2 and then just before thrash is back use Pulv?

[exochaft]

So 5 stacks use pulv-3 stacks use thrashx2 and then just before thrash is back use Pulv?

I've been trying this method, but what I'm finding in-game doesn't mesh with conventional wisdom being touted thus far of Pulv > R&T for ST. With Elize's pants on a ST raiding target dummy, I'm finding Pulverize lagging behind R&T by 10-15k DPS easily on live with no trinkets and bear-only (trinkets widen the gap more for me, mileage may vary). I tried varying it up to use Pulverize more often, but that didn't alter the results. Either Pulverize isn't hitting as hard as people projected, or the simulations need a looksie.

*edit* - Should mention that I have Pulverize winning handily with no-Elize, no trinket setups over R&T.

[deathwatcher23]

Has the stat priorities changes as of 7.1.5? With the slight nurf to iron fur and rage regen is haste more attractive?

[davidrm15]

Anyone tested Archimonde's Hatred Reborn ? its good?

[Rioo]

How much better do DMF get now that it can be 865?

[Nvrmd]

got a neck in my weekly m+chest today and was wondering if mark of the trained soldier is more competitive this patch after the mastery it provides got doubled to 600

[Deleted]

People who say guardians are bad in 7.1.5 are out of their mind. We all knew they deserved a nerf. They are perfectly fine as a tank now. Even if they somehow end up taking more damage than other tanks , damage taken will always be smoother as they have the highest effective health and most consistent acitve mitigation. They scale insanely good. Their pvp got incredible buffs in the patch and that is good news. All other tanks take 25% increased damage in pvp while bears take only 10% (15% less than others). Only warriors take 15% increased and they come closest.

[Ridcully]

My bear has about 200k more health than yesterday and it is not mastery. What happened?

[CenariusTheForestLord]

My bear has about 200k more health than yesterday and it is not mastery. What happened?

Rings and neckts have more stats, secondary and primary.

[Soulwell]

People who say guardians are bad in 7.1.5 are out of their mind. We all knew they deserved a nerf. They are perfectly fine as a tank now. Even if they somehow end up taking more damage than other tanks , damage taken will always be smoother as they have the highest effective health and most consistent acitve mitigation. They scale insanely good. Their pvp got incredible buffs in the patch and that is good news. All other tanks take 25% increased damage in pvp while bears take only 10% (15% less than others). Only warriors take 15% increased and they come closest.

The nerfs are bearly noticeable in the current content.

[Deleted]

The nerfs are bearly noticeable in the current content.

I see what you did there

[Deleted]

Hey there, since 7.1.5 is live now I was wondering if there is a change in 1) stat priority and 2) change in talents for us bears.

I wasn't able to copy my character onto the PTR to test the talents for myself so I'm sorry if this feels dump for you.

Oh and also should I change to one of the new neck enchants or stick to old "Heavy Hide" one?

[Rioo]

Thrash with the buffed chest legendary and wrist: http://i.imgur.com/rH1RQuQ.jpg. Would be nice if they updated the effect.

[Valkon]

Anybody know if the moonfire legendary shoulders drop for guardians?

[Dreyen]

honestly i doubt pulverize is really that much of an increase over R&T in terms of damage. on a dummy it did 13-14% of my damage. You lose 10% R&T bonus, it forces you to use thrash and pulverize above all else, losing mangle and GG procs... I figure pulverize might win by 1% at most, but it doesn't really feel like it's worth it IMO... would probably need to see the math. That said, it's definitely at least on par and a viable alternative.

[Valkon]

honestly i doubt pulverize is really that much of an increase over R&T in terms of damage. on a dummy it did 13-14% of my damage. You lose 10% R&T bonus, it forces you to use thrash and pulverize above all else, losing mangle and GG procs... I figure pulverize might win by 1% at most, but it doesn't really feel like it's worth it IMO... would probably need to see the math. That said, it's definitely at least on par and a viable alternative.

What about without the +2 stack legendary?

[roi]

Without Elizes Pulverize is probably better for 1-2 targets. Beyond that, rend and tear as usual.

@Valkon Moonkin legendaries only drop in balance loot spec.

[Valkon]

@Valkon Moonkin legendaries only drop in balance loot spec.

Do they work in guardian spec or is the effect disabled?

[roi]

Seems to work and is probably extremely strong for bear dps (not 100% sure if it also affects galactic guardian though). However the chances of obtaining it anytime soon are...bad.

[Nerxyrall]

Without Elizes Pulverize is probably better for 1-2 targets. Beyond that, rend and tear as usual.

@Valkon Moonkin legendaries only drop in balance loot spec.

You mean for dps not surviability?
Because 9%>6% in my book or am i missing something?