Lian Li makes some really nice cases but very expensive, not cheap metal like the define r series or other cases linked here.
They even make a boat themed case.http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811112533
Point 1:
Fractal Design does not use "cheap" metal.. or are you willing to compare Fractal Design to brands such as RaidMax, ThermalTake, GigaByte ... I could go on a very long time with this.
Fractal Design uses steel where Lian Li uses Aluminium, 2 entirely different metals and the reason why Aluminium feels nicer is because it's a more malleable metal which means it needs to be thicker than steel and doesn't rust.
Point 2:
Both Lian Li and InWin make impractical cases (such as the one linked by yourself) as well as good cases.
That generally does not make them easy to work with where your link is even further promoting my point.
Even the "proper" cases are nice looking and all but are still a pain in the ass to work with compared to brands such as Phanteks.
Point 3 (and the most important bit too):
You're now comparing the brand Lian Li to InWin what my original quote held.
So yeah.
I can't believe I need to link this to prove a point. Fractal Design does NOT use cheap metal... let's see how many cases' side panels can defend you against GUNFIRE and we'll talk!
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For some reason I always keep making that typo
Although this one kind of expands https://www.inwin-style.com/en/gaming-chassis/H-Tower
I'm not suggesting buying a HAF X (I believe it's in $160s price now also), it's just a case I had since 2011 and had no reason to change it for a new build. I wouldnt say it's lower quality, it lacks some of the features new cases have (SSD bays, removable bottom dust filter, easier disassemble) but it's still a great full tower case. I also wouldnt say it has much better airflow but it uses 200mm fans that require little maintenance, no PWM and are always quiet.
Thing with R4 and especially R5 is - 1-1.5 years ago where were not many cases that offered those features in this price range. These days there are cases that are significantly cheaper that offer them too (it's kind of the same reason as why HAF 921 was popular back in the day).
4.5GHz on most of the latest main series Intels (2nd Gen and up) is the bar that is very simple to achieve with D15, in some cases it requires one keypress. Of course LGA 2011 processor's overclocking is different, 4.3GHz for those is already pretty high. You could probably have in a little higher/cooler with a different case though. I see you really like FD cases but it's not the reason to stop being objective.
R5 5600X | Thermalright Silver Arrow IB-E Extreme | MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk | 16GB Crucial Ballistix DDR4-3600/CL16 | MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X | Corsair RM650x | Cooler Master HAF X | Logitech G400s | DREVO Excalibur 84 | Kingston HyperX Cloud II | BenQ XL2411T + LG 24MK430H-B
He said it was cheap metal and its not that was his point of him posting that vid and if you want to see vids on how the case is to work in just search for it. They are very good cases with good air flow and the r5 has a ton of rad options and its cheap.
You can often catch an R4 on sale for like $60.
I was thinking about moving my current setup from an R4 to an R5 (worth since I lost my top sound proof panels plus is has better everything else) but I'll be making an ITX build when I upgrade to Zen/Kaby Lake next year so I probably use the excellent Nano S instead or a better version if one is available at the time.
We have an H440 in the house as well and while it is an excellent case, I just vastly prefer Fractal's style and dust filters more.
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Like Deltrus already said, the Define R5 is a very fine case.
Unless you are going ham with SLI/Crossfire and overclocking to the max, you won't notice a big temperature difference to other "high airflow" cases. The main difference in temperatures does not come from worse airflow, but from the fact that you have less thermal conductivity in the case itself (because of the sound proofing material). Fractal Design are well-built and if you are looking for a silent case, they are one of the few options available.
Why do something simple, when there is a complicated way?
Ryzen 7 2700X | BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 4 | 16GB DDR4-3200 | MSI X470 Gaming Pro | MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X 8G | 500GB / 750GB Crucial SSD
Fractal Define C | LG 32UK550 | Das Model S Professional Silent | CM Storm Xornet
I have one, went for looks, it's an amazing well made case, have i5 6600k @ 4.5GHz with Noctua NH-D15S + MSI 1070 with aftermarket OC. It's silent, it's cold, would buy again
It's literally on their own YouTube... >_> Not crap.
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I pulled the case apart a while ago, didn't realize I had pulled the fan controller's connection to the front (where I can choose between the 5v, 7v, and 12v for the fans) so for a while I took the side panel off and used a small house fan shooting directly inside the case.
Believe me, my CPU won't be going much further with any case. I'd have to go custom liquid - which I could do in the R4.
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Chill out dude. Calm your language and get a better attitude, wow.
I already posted a video in the thread about the Fractal Design Define R5, but since you're too lazy to look for it, I'll post it again, even though this isn't your thread. I'm getting sick and tired of your posts, almost every post I see from you is always negative or hounding on someone. Not a way to make a name for yourself, do you need to talk to someone?
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Yeah, I too really want to upgrade to the R5, but there's really nothing wrong with my case at the moment, and I figure, might as well just wait for the hopeful R6.
@Vegas82 The R5 is so easy to cable manage in that even I managed to get a decently clean build (photos in the build show-off thread, I'm on holiday and don't have the files on my laptop)
Can we please get back on topic and stop going at each other?