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Is it worth to invest to any crit gear to achieve arround 40-45% crit chance off BC?
Edit: I'll add this questin here as well: How am i supposed to get invited to 7+ mythic dung runs post Arms nerf (since casino rng tactician procs wont be picked for ST fights plus low arms aoe) and fury doing shit overall? most of rhetoric question but still
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2016-09-25, 11:27 AM #1Field Marshal
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Arms crit%
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2016-09-25, 01:07 PM #2Grunt
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Currently before and probably after the patch Crit is your worst stat you do not want to go for it. Yes the nerfs to Arms were done wrong and I really hope it gets changed but still Crit is terrible compared to Mastery for example.
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2016-09-25, 01:11 PM #3Deleted
While focused rage nerf is going to hurt throughput, it won't be of the magnitude where you suddenly become persona non grata. The single target output of arms was ludicrous enough where you could utterly dominate any single target encounter. Personally pulled 300k on Ursocc with my 847 non-legendary toting entry level gear last wednesday.
It was literally 70k DPS ahead of everyone else, and 140k dps ahead of the Fury warrior in the group.
We're getting nerfed, but there's a whooooole lot of room between unparalleled olympian god of Single target, to trash.
Other topic: afaik we don't gain anything mechanically sound from Crit%. Haste might be more important with the nerf to the Tactician artifact perk, but haste was already competing with Versatility for runner-up after Mastery.
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2016-09-25, 02:05 PM #4Titan
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The easiest solution is having friends or guildies carry you. My aoe damage playing up to 10 was simply dogshit. Maybe it was because we didn't have the most badass pulls because they were simply not required having two very strong classes doing most of the damage.
Originally Posted by server22
Crit probably gained slightly more value since you'll lose a handful of shattered defense procs doubt though it helps significantly.
There wasn't even a single parse 20k "ahead of everyone else" on the second next to absolutely static patchwerk encounter and certainly nothing was overall 70k ahead. Originally Posted by Elderahn
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2016-09-25, 02:45 PM #5Titan
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Crit is bad because of Shattered Defense, on sustained AOE it would be a strong stat but since we don't really have good sustained AOE capability without CS on the target we'd be gimping our dps on ST + cleave by moving away from Mastery stacking, so going for Crit is simply not worthwhile.
Originally Posted by Elderahn
It has never been 70k ahead of everyone else, people are using the bullshit simcraft numbers (even though the Arms sims way higher per ilvl than what it brings in game as clearly shown by the logs). Like the hunters who used the bullshit simcraft numbers to cry before proceeding to dominate the rankings... A few Arms Warriors got some lucky tactition procs and ran away with things, on average Arms was 3rd best overall performer dragged down by all the unlucky fuckers like me who got shitty tactition procs or just "average". As can quite clearly be seen - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/10#dataset=80 Demon Hunter and MM are clear away the strongest performing specs.
It's cool that you got a few lucky tactition procs and beat your massively underperforming raid members and all, how about we compare your 90%+ rank with their performances.Last edited by Bigbazz; 2016-09-25 at 02:57 PM.
Probably running on a Pentium 4
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2016-09-25, 04:12 PM #6Field Marshal
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Sorry to say, but if you were 70k ahead of the next highest person on Ursoc while doing 300k then your overall raid DPS is actual garbage and shouldn't be used as a measure of anything. Originally Posted by Elderahn
That kind of number disparity is either people not playing their classes correctly or brickwalling themselves with gear.
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2016-09-25, 04:19 PM #7Grunt
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I believe that critical damage should play a role in all DPS. I invest in my critical so that when I release my specials as a Demon Hunter, I will have that much more of a chance to do extra damage.
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2016-09-25, 06:45 PM #8Field Marshal
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havent even tried to switch gear yet in mythic+ , but if it is possible , is it wise to gather crit gear for aoe trash packs at all and switch back for ST?
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2016-09-25, 06:49 PM #9Titan
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Don't know. Cleave whirlwind is useless and bladestorm also doesn't make any sense without battlecry. Originally Posted by server22
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2016-09-25, 08:29 PM #10Field Marshal
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He's not completely wrong, but for my group, I was doing 400k and the rest of the group was doing 300-350k. These are for fights like nyth and ursoc. Obviously fights with constant aoe are worse for arms, but I can still remain in the top 5ish just by single targetting priority targets and cleaving with SS and bladestorming large groups Originally Posted by noctred
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