mm in mythic +, volley or barrage?

[Deleted]

Hey there since the last barrage nerf i m wondering if volley would be a bettertalent for mythic +. Its better in single target now then barrage and for trash its also better als long as mobs stand together, as well you don t need to be carefull to not add with barrage. There where a lot of situations where you had to move quite a lot in order to safely barrage into that trash pack, and that also did sometimes force you to stand relatively close to the targets taking away a little bit of the effectifness of your spiked tongue.

On the other hand it takes away a lot of mobility and dmg on spread out targets.

Edit: im aware of the fact that you would play BM in mythic + in a perfect world....but i have a strong MM legendary and my MM weapon is WAY better then my BM weapon (way more AP and better relikts), so i feel forced to play MM in higher mythic + dungeons.

[Hunterforlife]

I'm going to piggyback on this and also ask which spec is best for mythic+, BM or MM?

[willtron]

I'm going to piggyback on this and also ask which spec is best for mythic+, BM or MM?

BM. /10chars

[Niferinny]

You are saying BM ,but i will ask u something:
If a legendary item drop it will be for BM spec.
And if u are planning to play MM ... this legendary will be usefull......

[Deifi]

You are saying BM ,but i will ask u something:
If a legendary item drop it will be for BM spec.
And if u are planning to play MM ... this legendary will be usefull......

That's why you can set loot specialisation.

[Niferinny]

Thanks forgot about this

[S7rider]

I was about to ask the same question, I am an average player who is really enjoying mythic + (i dont really want to have to re-grind for a BM spec) so have stuck with MM, initially i would hardly use barrage in the M+ timed runs as i was terrified of pulling additional packs and seaguls/ turtles/ etc. I tried using volly and it seems to be ok (better than not using an ability) i have noticed my single target is slighty down - but im maintaining decent dps on trash.

Other peoples thoughts?

[Phototropic]

13 traits in BM is all one really "needs" to make BM damn good at clumped AoE via bleast cleave--Surge of the Stormgod is good when it procs but wouldn't say not having it breaks the spec--and that costs less than 7k AP. Also, lest we forget that the vast majority of time inside any dungeon (especially mythic+) is spent killing trash that's usually pretty clumped together for the majority of the time.

Take from that what you will but I go BM with volley and BF currently, probably switch to blink strikes to see how it fairs this week.

Edit: I mean, Hati beast cleave is all one needs but 13 traits is el cheapo.

[Helgrim]

13 traits in BM is all one really "needs" to make BM damn good at clumped AoE via bleast cleave--Surge of the Stormgod is good when it procs but wouldn't say not having it breaks the spec--and that costs less than 7k AP. Also, lest we forget that the vast majority of time inside any dungeon (especially mythic+) is spent killing trash that's usually pretty clumped together for the majority of the time.

Take from that what you will but I go BM with volley and BF currently, probably switch to blink strikes to see how it fairs this week.

Edit: I mean, Hati beast cleave is all one needs but 13 traits is el cheapo.

You really think volley is worth it in dungeons ? I never thought of it tbh. I picked AMOC automatically.

[Deleted]

BM. /10chars

That's not completely true.

It really depends on your party setup and "how to" you can either go as MM for Myth+ and still doing a discrete cleave DMG on top of a truckload of ST for bosses.

If you are doing myth+ with preamde guildie and decide the strat about pulling you can decide wich is better, if you actually knows how to understand when MM>BM or BM>MM in myth+ pulling.



OFC if you are only into speed run myth+2 for 3 chest run , go BM

[Phototropic]

You really think volley is worth it in dungeons ? I never thought of it tbh. I picked AMOC automatically.

For Mythic+, definitely--crows is great but if you're going BM, I'd imagine you're thinking in terms of pushing AoE (else you'd have gone MM) and considering that trash pulls take the vast majority of the time from dungeon to dungeon, why wouldn't you?

That said, as Shad's said; I run with a blood DK, enh shaman, fire mage, and disc priest. More AoE from me means our enh can carry the ST a little bit more.

[Kylecat15]

It depends on mythic level and dungeon tbh, I usually take volley at higher mythics if its say eye of azshara but if its arcway or nelth lair I will take barrage since its easier to use there

[ydraw]

For Mythic+, definitely--crows is great but if you're going BM, I'd imagine you're thinking in terms of pushing AoE (else you'd have gone MM) and considering that trash pulls take the vast majority of the time from dungeon to dungeon, why wouldn't you?

That said, as Shad's said; I run with a blood DK, enh shaman, fire mage, and disc priest. More AoE from me means our enh can carry the ST a little bit more.

I choose to run AMOC mostly because of the pulls you get where you have a burn target (and for bosses obviously). Beast Cleave is such great AOE on its own that Volley hardly registers in comparison.

[Kwaai]

With the Barrage nerf I think definitely BM. MM AoE also suffers because you'll be taking a pet 99% of the time for brez/lust. Obviously different groups are different, though. If you are going to play MM I think I'd prefer Volley. It's always possible to play around barrage, but Volley makes it trivial, and last I checked it was ahead on ST and AoE.

I've been running Volley over Crows because I'm there for AoE and Sanguine/Overflowing don't really punish huge, consistent pulls. Everyone in my group is also using potions on bosses so they die pretty quickly anyway.

[Jaja]

MM AoE also suffers because you'll be taking a pet 99% of the time for brez/lust

Eh what? :P

OT: MM with Volley is fine.

[Kwaai]

Eh what? :P

OT: MM with Volley is fine.

Lone Wolf increases your damage by 18% (so Barrage/Volley/Marked Shot/Sidewinders), and Steady Focus/Careful Aim only really increase Aimed Shot damage.

[Ashnazg]

I got Ullr's shoes the other day, which makes it hard to decide on MM vs BM. Both specs are at 20+ right now, so I swapped in and out depending on the dungeon / convenience of barrage usage. For example, I would run EOA / COS / Arcway as BM, and BRH / Vault / Nelth as MM.

The shoes though make a difference for trueshot uptime on trash packs, so I am leaning more and more toward MM these days. BM definitely does more sustained AoE damage,but MM ability to burst down priority targets is all too important when shit goes south.

[Deleted]

I got Ullr's shoes the other day, which makes it hard to decide on MM vs BM. Both specs are at 20+ right now, so I swapped in and out depending on the dungeon / convenience of barrage usage. For example, I would run EOA / COS / Arcway as BM, and BRH / Vault / Nelth as MM.

The shoes though make a difference for trueshot uptime on trash packs, so I am leaning more and more toward MM these days. BM definitely does more sustained AoE damage,but MM ability to burst down priority targets is all too important when shit goes south.

Yea once i step in myth 6 i realise than BM isnt that effective anymore( atleast on bosses) its still good option for trash because a accident pull and INCOMING STAMPEDE save the day
For the records i have pushed BM artefact to 16 traits with 2 relics for Jaws of Thunder trait and zero legendary in any spec

[sultangurde]

Yea once i step in myth 6 i realise than BM isnt that effective anymore( atleast on bosses) its still good option for trash because a accident pull and INCOMING STAMPEDE save the day

Pick AMoC and bosses damage will be higher. I have 24MM/21BM and my dps in high M+ (8,9,10) is pretty much always 300k+ as BM.
Also i played like 20 or more M+ on any level and Volley did dungeon average of 25-30M and AMOC 35-48M. But you need to be smart with it.
BM has addition advantage, because with Necrotic stacks on tank pet can taunt mobs giving time for the stacks to drop.

[Deleted]

Yea once i step in myth 6 i realise than BM isnt that effective anymore( atleast on bosses) its still good option for trash because a accident pull and INCOMING STAMPEDE save the day
For the records i have pushed BM artefact to 16 traits with 2 relics for Jaws of Thunder trait and zero legendary in any spec

I could be wrong, but I don't think you spec Stampede in higher M+

I see absolutely no use for it. (or make that, nearly no use for it)