Trump & Putin (you US' aren't totaly blind i hope?)

[derpkitteh]

it would be nice if russia and the us could get along. i don't think that'll happen while putin is leader, he's a man formed and molded by the old ways.

but at least trump seems to be willing to try.

i don't exactly give a shit who wins the presidency anymore. it'll be the same shit no matter who it is, people that only care for their self. if humanity can't evolve beyond that, i wish we'd just come to an end.

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Only a Trump supporter could be American and still support Trump when that is what Russia, out of all the countries, wants.

or, you could not be a tool that's drunk on the anti-russian mouthshitting of the cold war era.

[Breccia]

but at least trump seems to be willing to try.

Even if they were genuinely good intentioned, Trump's economic ties to Russia will overshadow what he's said on the matter and make it look like yet another policy he wants to Putin place that would benefit him. Plus, I'm not convinced someone who didn't know Russia was in Ukraine and wants to leave NATO is the best judge of the situation.

[Skroe]

it would be nice if russia and the us could get along. i don't think that'll happen while putin is leader, he's a man formed and molded by the old ways.

but at least trump seems to be willing to try.

i don't exactly give a shit who wins the presidency anymore. it'll be the same shit no matter who it is, people that only care for their self. if humanity can't evolve beyond that, i wish we'd just come to an end.

If we'd just come to an end...

... how are you to game?

[Deleted]

He said this after the fact and when the consequences were taking place. Such insight, being against something that's already happened. He was also all for the war before those consequences were apparent. And really? How is he against conflict?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwZSzOPX8OA

How is saying they will be shut out of the world warmongering? Thats as stupid as him saying he wants to get rid of illegals and people call him a racist. Unless you mean that bit about ISIS..

[derpkitteh]

If we'd just come to an end...

... how are you to game?

it's not important in comparison to the filth of this world. i'd gladly die to see it all stop.

the world won't ever amount to anything worthwhile. humans will never overcome their nature. the only moral option is to end it.

[Deleted]

Do you have a legit hearing problem or are you just intentionally being dense? He clearly said, "They will be shot out of the water." This is just one example. He also repeatedly asked why we can't just use nukes on some countries since we have them.

Bah, yes, you're right, he did say that but then again this is just a small clip, it's probably taken out of context. Trump in most of hes speeches is an isolationist. You know America first, lets put our citizens first, stop wasting money on policing the world and if others want us to protect them, let them pay for it.

[Skroe]

it's not important in comparison to the filth of this world. i'd gladly die to see it all stop.

the world won't ever amount to anything worthwhile. humans will never overcome their nature. the only moral option is to end it.

. . .

You need to quit internet and talk to a therapist. Now.

I'm totally not joking.

[xChurch]

Absent all else, Trump's buddy-buddy relationship with Putin should be all the reason you need to vote Hillary. The West may have mostly moved on from the Cold War, but they sure haven't and it would be a mistake to think that Putin actually wants to be our friend.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

I hate Trump don't get me wrong. But maybe he has a point of us being on the wrong side of this whole European mess. Russia would defend its own fucking self and we wouldn't have to be breaking ourselves to defend it while its people live in a welfare state of luxury and then spit upon us every chance they get like the western Europeans do.

[Deleted]

Absent all else, Trump's buddy-buddy relationship with Putin should be all the reason you need to vote Hillary. The West may have mostly moved on from the Cold War, but they sure haven't and it would be a mistake to think that Putin actually wants to be our friend.

Thing is though, Hillary is worse and the media blatantly lies about Trump while trying to cover up for her.

Even if everything they said about Trump was true and I didnt hate her guts for pandering to the left, lying and her being a criminal, it still choose Trump as he wants to lower taxes while Hillary wants to raise them.

[sarahtasher]

I mean, yes, it's very obvious why Putin want Trump to win. And it's perfectly legit for Putin. Catherine the Great wanted the most innefective person possible on the Polish throne and you can bet that Louis XIV was not exactly awed by James II intellectual capacities.

What baffles me is that Trumpist see this endorsment as a ''good thing''.

Dudes, Putin is essentially trading bombing runs in Aleppo made by bombers of the late sixties with the whole Eastern Europe. This is not a good deal.

[Skroe]

I hate Trump don't get me wrong. But maybe he has a point of us being on the wrong side of this whole European mess. Russia would defend its own fucking self and we wouldn't have to be breaking ourselves to defend it while its people live in a welfare state of luxury and then spit upon us every chance they get like the western Europeans do.

They've been doing that since 1776. There is absolutely nothing new about it.

We're family. It's what family does. It's always your family that drives you nuts.

In the end, they're always worth it.

[xChurch]

Thing is though, Hillary is worse and the media blatantly lies about Trump while trying to cover up for her.

Even if everything they said about Trump was true and I didnt hate her guts for pandering to the left, lying and her being a criminal, it still choose Trump as he wants to lower taxes while Hillary wants to raise them.

Except his tax plan would balloon the debt to insane amounts.

[Skroe]

Thing is though, Hillary is worse and the media blatantly lies about Trump while trying to cover up for her.

Even if everything they said about Trump was true and I didnt hate her guts for pandering to the left, lying and her being a criminal, it still choose Trump as he wants to lower taxes while Hillary wants to raise them.

I almost certainly pay more taxes than you.

It's appalling as a matter of principle you'd support Putin's Man over ANYBODY for any reason. It's great to see that America's global reputation, everything we have built, the immense advantages, our global network of allies, everything we have is worth trading away for you to you have lower taxes. Because that's totally worth it.

Are you a madman? At what point exactly is lower taxes not worth it? I get it. I did. I'm a conservative. But no way in hell is lower taxes worth handing the office once occupied by Washington, by Jefferson, by Lincoln, by Teddy Roosvelt, by Reagan, by FDR, by Woodrow Wilson into the hands of Donald Trump and his friend, the Russian War Criminal Vladmir Putin.

[Deleted]

Except his tax plan would balloon the debt to insane amounts.

No it wouldn't. It would help small businesses as well as helps to keeps jobs in the country.

That aside though, look at the small picture. Would I as a voter and as an individual pay less taxes or more? I think its a no-brainer. I mean who in their right mind wants to pay more taxes(and if you do, I think you could do that anyway)?

[Skroe]

No it wouldn't. It would help small businesses as well as helps to keeps jobs in the country.

That aside though, look at the small picture. Would I as a voter and as an individual pay less taxes or more? I think its a no-brainer. I mean who in their right mind wants to pay more taxes(and if you do, I think you could do that anyway)?

I want to pay fair taxes.

I want my roads well cared for.

I want infrastructure I can be proud of.

I want popular public services that we can be proud of and good schools that advance our youth from K through College..

I want significant investment in science and technology.

I want the finest military money can buy.

That's not big government.
That's not small government.
That's efficient, effective government. Lean and mean.

Taxes are our civic duty.

But then again, I come from a state that actually has its shit almost entirely together. Here, in Massachusetts, Republicans win often in a Democratic dominated state, because they run and win on the above platform, which *gasp* is actually staggeringly popular because it's moderate and not completely nuts. It acts a check against Democrat's impulses to throw bureaucracy and money at everything.

I for one would happily pay more taxes if it meant Logan Airport got torn down and replaced with something the city could be proud of. Because government CAN do good and taxes CAN be well spent. It just has to be carefully watched and run by competent people. But Massachuetts... Taxachusetts as it used to be called... has a reputation for being one of the most technocratic states in the union... and it's actually rather awesome.

[Deleted]

I almost certainly pay more taxes than you.

It's appalling as a matter of principle you'd support Putin's Man over ANYBODY for any reason. It's great to see that America's global reputation, everything we have built, the immense advantages, our global network of allies, everything we have is worth trading away for you to you have lower taxes. Because that's totally worth it.

Are you a madman? At what point exactly is lower taxes not worth it? I get it. I did. I'm a conservative. But no way in hell is lower taxes worth handing the office once occupied by Washington, by Jefferson, by Lincoln, by Teddy Roosvelt, by Reagan, by FDR, by Woodrow Wilson into the hands of Donald Trump and his friend, the Russian War Criminal Vladmir Putin.

Thats madwoman to you!

So anyway, taxes aside, I have many many reasons to support Trump.

First, Obama was too soft and lets other countries push us around, Hillary is likely to continue that way. Then Hillary absolutely represents the PC culture, shes anti-freedom of speech and pro big government, identity politics and everything thats wrong in the EU right now. She wants to bring in more immigrants from countries that hate us and when those people are let in, they will absolutely be a drain on the economy. Oh and if that isn't enough, I'm also strongly against any form of socialism and "free" stuff. If Trump is elected, the market will certainly be freer than under Hillary.

[Yoshimitsu84]

I want to pay fair taxes.

I want my roads well cared for.

I want infrastructure I can be proud of.

I want popular public services that we can be proud of and good schools that advance our youth from K through College..

I want significant investment in science and technology.

I want the finest military money can buy.

That's not big government.
That's not small government.
That's efficient, effective government. Lean and mean.

Taxes are our civic duty.

But then again, I come from a state that actually has its shit almost entirely together. Here, in Massachusetts, Republicans win often in a Democratic dominated state, because they run and win on the above platform, which *gasp* is actually staggeringly popular because it's moderate and not completely nuts. It acts a check against Democrat's impulses to throw bureaucracy and money at everything.

I for one would happily pay more taxes if it meant Logan Airport got torn down and replaced with something the city could be proud of. Because government CAN do good and taxes CAN be well spent. It just has to be carefully watched and run by competent people. But Massachuetts... Taxachusetts as it used to be called... has a reputation for being one of the most technocratic states in the union... and it's actually rather awesome.

so you think that by payin more taxes you will contribute to that? oh you silly goose
All you'll do is bring more money to their pockets.
Taxes you pay are already fine, the problem is you invest them in the wrong places

[rowaasr13]

it would be nice if russia and the us could get along. i don't think that'll happen while putin is leader, he's a man formed and molded by the old ways.

Let me burst your bubble: it is not Putin that doesn't let "us get along". It is your exceptional nazion's desire to be world's cop in the worst possible meaning of "cop" - i.e. American-style "I'll shot whenever I feel like to". GTFO from the rest of the world, start playing by common rules instead of just declaring them for everybody else and then maybe we can talk about "getting along".

[sarahtasher]

Thats madwoman to you!

So anyway, taxes aside, I have many many reasons to support Trump.

First, Obama was too soft and lets other countries push us around, Hillary is likely to continue that way. Then Hillary absolutely represents the PC culture, shes anti-freedom of speech and pro big government, identity politics and everything thats wrong in the EU right now. She wants to bring in more immigrants from countries that hate us and when those people are let in, they will absolutely be a drain on the economy. Oh and if that isn't enough, I'm also strongly against any form of socialism and "free" stuff. If Trump is elected, the market will certainly be freer than under Hillary.

Yes, absolutely : America will prove how tough it is by being agressive toward Mexico and letting Russia run amok in Eastern Europe.