7.1 Question

[Deleted]

Is the raid in 7.1 relevant for endgame raiding, or is it just something to do, with no relevant gear (860) like karazhan?

[ThePants999]

It's a raid. When was the last time you saw a newly-released raid that wasn't "relevant for endgame raiding"?

[Threndsa]

Is the raid in 7.1 relevant for endgame raiding, or is it just something to do, with no relevant gear (860) like karazhan?

ToV gear will be the same ilvl scale as EN 850N/865H/880M

[Deleted]

It's a raid. When was the last time you saw a newly-released raid that wasn't "relevant for endgame raiding"?

Just now, Emerald Nightmare.

[Axelond]

It's a raid. When was the last time you saw a newly-released raid that wasn't "relevant for endgame raiding"?

Ruby Sanctum

[Life-Binder]

ToV gear will be the same ilvl scale as EN 850N/865H/880M

is that true ? not even a 5 ilvl bump ?

[Annamarine]

Ruby Sanctum

Ruby sanctum was still end game raiding therefore it was relevant for end game raiding. If you did it when it was current it wasn't a joke.

[Life-Binder]

also for that matter - what ilvl will Kara 7.1 drop ?

[Jakisuaki]

also for that matter - what ilvl will Kara 7.1 drop ?

855 on the PTR

[Life-Binder]

855 on the PTR

all bosses ?

actual loot tables on wowhead seems to show that the first half of bosses drop 850, but that might be PTR/wowhead bug

[Keiyra]

is that true ? not even a 5 ilvl bump ?

You'll have tier pieces to look forward to

[Deleted]

It's a raid. When was the last time you saw a newly-released raid that wasn't "relevant for endgame raiding"?

If it does not give item upgrades it's irrelevant content

[ThePants999]

I'll give you Ruby Sanctum, that's fair, though rather a long time ago.

It's reasonable to say that ToV doesn't have all the world first excitement of an actual new tier, and if you've been farming your preferred difficulty in EN for a while by the time 7.1 is released, you won't exactly be rolling in upgrades from ToV either. But imagine if, at the start of Cataclysm, Bastion of Twilight had released a short while after BWD/TotFW. It's that sort of level of relevance - more content, still very relevant, even if it's not "the next level".

[ThePants999]

If it does not give item upgrades it's irrelevant content

Can't say I agree with that. Gear isn't the only reason to raid, y'know? If something's giving me an appropriate level of challenge, it's relevant, even if it doesn't drop purples that are a tad better than my current ones.

In any case, have you SEEN the trinkets in EN? I'm very hopeful that ToV will drop "upgrades" even if they're not higher ilvl

[Marston]

also for that matter - what ilvl will Kara 7.1 drop ?

855 for the first 5. 860 for the last 3. Apparently 875 on a secret boss (most likely Nightbane).

Also, Trial of Valor was bumped by 5 itemlevels (same as Karazhan) to 855/870/885 on the PTR recently, so it's 5 itemlevel higher than Emeral Nigthmare.

[Kantalope]

ToV should have some "really nice trinkets" as drops according to Blizzard but do we really need them? When EN already drops trinkets like crazy. It's even more weird if ToV ilvl isn't higher than EN.

EN trinkets are shit.

[Deleted]

It will be relevant for the trinkets, they said it would hold very good trinkets.

[Jazzhands]

If it does not give item upgrades it's irrelevant content

For you maybe. Some of us actually enjoy the game for more than just an arbitrary number that some people feel represents the size of their dick.

[Deleted]

Can't say I agree with that. Gear isn't the only reason to raid, y'know? If something's giving me an appropriate level of challenge, it's relevant, even if it doesn't drop purples that are a tad better than my current ones.

In any case, have you SEEN the trinkets in EN? I'm very hopeful that ToV will drop "upgrades" even if they're not higher ilvl

Not the case of raiding for loot or a challenge, but you're are less likely to do content if it gives no upgrades, so you'll only do it 1 time or do it for achivs which is also a one time thing.

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For you maybe. Some of us actually enjoy the game for more than just an arbitrary number that some people feel represents the size of their dick.

when did i say that i didn't enjoy the game?

[Jazzhands]

Not the case of raiding for loot or a challenge, but you're are less likely to do content if it gives no upgrades, so you'll only do it 1 time or do it for achivs which is also a one time thing.

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when did i say that i didn't enjoy the game?

If you enjoy the content, it's relevant, as this is a game, played for enjoyment. If the content is irrelevant, there's no reason whatsoever to do it, meaning there's no joy in it.