Ahead of the curve is the worst thing blizzard invented

[CaptainV]

So... I wanna be clear.

Ive done Xavius normal 3 times now, the "first" was on week one, in blue gear.

So whats the issue?

Im not a guild person and I dont have interest in joining one or time to invest in one, but id like to join a raid and im 857 more than over geared at this point for heroic.

I have deadly boss mods, check.

I have the gear give or take, check.

I have the flasks, the food, I have it all, check.

But I dont have "Ahead of the Curve"

Despite the fact I have the Rift of Aln achievement, the first week this raid launched, I dont have -Ahead- of the curve.

This, to me, is a reoccuring problem with raiding these days.

So you dont have Curve? Well good luck getting into raids.

See this to me is the wrong approach, what blizzard should have done is created a form of lobbying system, not LFR, but "not" Ahead of the Curve, rather, a system where, you simply "lobby" into a group if you are geared for the raid. If you reach a minimum requirement, you should automatically be allowed to que up for any raid as long as you're within the ilevel required, and have the appropriate experience for it.

Example:

In order to join a normal raid group, one must first complete all wings of LFR, and possess an ilevel of 840 (or, alternativley, join a group at normal mode and complete the raid once).

From that point onwards, the player is automatically "Lobbied" into the raid difficulty appropriate to your gear level, so if you're overgeared for LFR, you're simply lobbied into Normal, if you're overgeared for normal, you're lobbied into Heroic.

This, to me, would solve "alot" of problems, firstly, because it would mean people "must" have experienced the raid at least once on the previous respective difficulty to unlock the next one, and it also allows players to be more easingly qualified to raid allowing raid pugs to form more smoothley in a way that allows LFR to be relevent for once instead of completely pointless.

[Deleted]

Holy mother of socialism, and I really don't say this often.
Me, as a pug raid leader, should be forced to carry every billy bob and joe because they either got lucky on a few world quests or managed to do the easiest content imaginable?
Normal was a cakewalk, considering 80% of the people who first enter it are already averagely geared OVER THE ILEVEL THAT THE RAID DROPS.

Heroic is actually decently hard.

All curve does is save people like me the effort of looking you up on the armory to see if you already completed the content.

Having said that, the answer to your issues is:
a. keep looking for groups that will take you, there are usually plenty of ''progress'' groups up for heroic xavius since hes such a step up from heroic cenarius, you can find these groups because they often say ''dont leave after 1 wipe'' etc.
b. get an achievement faker and get into curve groups
c. make your own group with just the ''Rift of Aln'' requirement

Alternatively, you could try doing mythic+ to increase your gear somewhat to make you a more attractive person to invite.

This should help you get curve without too many issues.

[The Stormbringer]

You could try starting your own raid group with Group Finder if you're having difficulty getting into one.

[n7stormreaver]

Find a raid that tries Heroic. If we go there to clear it, we go there to clear it. Not carry people who some reason couldn't clear it before\at the same time as us. Why on Earth would we take a risk of inviting somebody who has never seen Heroic when we can help it?

It may work with a good tank, healer or somebody's friend, but if you're a DPS without AotC then good luck pal. There are tons of other options who do have AotC.

[Beace]

You're pretty much describing a slightly more advanced LFR, for a lot harder content. Maybe it'd solve some problems, but I think it'd create just as many new ones.

Is Openraid still a thing? Sounds like something you might find useful (if it's still active).

[Otrew]

Today i get the achivement. Not all the pugs ask for it. And you need more gear, of course you can do it with 857, but yesterday when i kill cenarius in heroic i was the first player invited and if you see all the people asking for invitation is full with people with better ilvl than you, and raid leader pick better ilvl because is jsut easy.

Most of the groups only ask AOTC for the last 2 bosses.

[Bigbazz]

Join a guild or make your own group. People don't invite people without curve because they don't want the headache of having to go through wipe/learn (even though that's still usually inevitable) or they want to get boosted. If you remove curve then it will be something else, people want some inkling of proof that you're useful because they have no way of knowing otherwise.

[FelPlague]

i did a full heroic clear of EN in a pug, week one, well my guild was only able to down 1 boss

so i dont see the problem here
cept my guild really needs to pull their shit together

[impending doom]

Im not a guild person and I dont have interest in joining one or time to invest in one, but id like to join a raid and im 857 more than over geared at this point for heroic.

There are different kinds of guilds, many of them don't need any special time investment, I think joining a guild can actually Save time for you. Trying to pug raids can take hours just to get group together, whereas in a guild they have raid times planned ahead, this is just more efficient way of doing any kind of group content, in wow and IRL too. I've pugged alot myself too and I agree there should be better systems for grouping up, but at the end I realize that fully random PuGging is just never going to be very efficient way of doing group content.

[TriHard]

Holy mother of socialism, and I really don't say this often.
Me, as a pug raid leader, should be forced to carry every billy bob and joe because they either got lucky on a few world quests or managed to do the easiest content imaginable?
Normal was a cakewalk, considering 80% of the people who first enter it are already averagely geared OVER THE ILEVEL THAT THE RAID DROPS.

Pleb leader you mean? That is basically what Pugs are

[melodramocracy]

Join a more casual guild that is either just starting or working their way through heroic, or simply create your own group.

[Kantalope]

You could always buy AotC if you're that bad.

[Deleted]

normal was a fucking joke and means LITERALLY nothing

[Life-Binder]

yeah, LFG PuG raiding is pretty cancer

[Aggrophobic]

Just becuase you can clear normal doesn't mean you can handle heroic.

What your asking for is just LFR with harder content.
The game does not need more queue systems. The group finder works well as it is.

If you don't want to join a group and work together (guild) than stick to LFR or dungeons. It's that easy.

[Axelond]

Pay for a boost.

[sarym13]

If its a random pug raid you're trying to get into.. Ask someone on your realm for the AoTC achievement. And link it to the leader if he asks you for it.

You'd be surprised how many don't actually read the name of the achievement holder.

[thunderdragon2]

wwhats worse is i can see people REQUIRING curve for normal next week simply becuase xavius lfr is out.

anyway back on topic was declined on my 850 be4 i got curve on my main for hc and then again after i got it was told "fake acheive" the other think i hate is grps that have "prefer curved ppl" in their description that really anoys me i lefft my 3/7 hc guild because they were falling apart and had trouble killing dragons and ursoc agian i joined a friends guild as social till i can figure out what i want to do i dont get to go mythic but i do get to gop to their hc farm

[Aeluron Lightsong]

No it's not a bad thing. What the problem certain parts of the community acting super lazy and demanding super high standards. I mean sure Blizzard could remove it but there will be another way to have only the uber best.

[Makorus]

If it didn't exist, people would just find some other metric.

And really, is it so bad that people choose the path of least resistance?

Is it so bad that people want a group with people who actually know what the fuck they are doing? And yes, of course, having AotC doesn't really guarantee that, but it increases the chance of actually getting a somewhat competent person.

Everyone (yadda yadda boosts) earned their AotC. What you are basically demanding is that those groups boost you.

Make your own group, accept every single shitter without AotC and see you in 3 weeks.