Spain's population set to drop 11% by 2050

[Tennis]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...lderly-singles

Spain by 2050 will be a depopulated nation dominated by elderly and single people, according to a report that predicts the country will have lost 5.3 million inhabitants, or 11% of the current population, by the middle of the century.

Spain’s low birth rate and high life expectancy are seen as a demographic problem that the report, released by the national statistics office on Thursday, expects to become more entrenched.

If the trends continue, by 2050 the over-65s will make up 34.6% of the population, while close to a quarter of a million Spaniards will be over 100 years old. By that date there will be 1.7 million fewer children under 10 than there are today.

A country also once famed for large families seems destined to become a nation of singletons, with single-person households rising by about a fifth over the next 15 years, to make up 28% of the total. Two-person households will make up a third of the total.
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While the fertility rate is predicted to rise slightly, from 1.33 to 1.38, births will fall overall because there will be fewer women of childbearing age. The average age at which Spanish women have their first child is expected to rise from 31.9 to 33 years.

In the first 10 years of the millennium, immigration from Latin America, north Africa and elsewhere in Europe boosted Spain’s reproductive population, but following the financial crisis hundreds of thousands of those immigrants have returned home. Meanwhile, large numbers of young Spaniards have themselves emigrated in search of work. However, immigration is predicted to slightly exceed emigration in the coming years.

In 1900 life expectancy in Spain was 35, meaning that half of those born did not live to be 15. Life expectancy is now 80 for men and 85 for women; if the trends continue, by 2065 this will rise to 88 and 91 respectively.

Demographers stress that elderly people should not be seen as burdensome on Spanish society. “They have resources, 70% have paid off their mortgages,” said Julio Pérez Díaz, a demographer at the Centre for Human and Social Sciences in Madrid. “They are big consumers and during the long financial crisis it has been pensioners who, above all, have saved their children and grandchildren from going under.”

Antonio Argũeso, of the institute that produced the paper, cautioned: “These are not so much predictions but references to the way things might evolve. In the 1990s we didn’t think Spain would arrive at a population of 40 million but no one had predicted that 10 years later six million immigrants would arrive and take the population to 47 million.”

If this happens they have noone to blame but themselves. They have a clear example set by successful countries like Canada as to allowing refugees and immigrants in for the betterment of society. I guess the question is whether Spain is an attractive destination given all the issues with the economy but they should at least try.

[NED funded]

Spain did allow immigrants though, I used to had relatives there. They went back to Colombia when shit went down.

[Kraenen]

Can't keep driving the population up ad infinitum. Gotta slim down at some point, might as well be now with things ahead like automation and global warming.

[Tennis]

Can't keep driving the population up ad infinitum. Gotta slim down at some point, might as well be now with things ahead like automation and global warming.

That's on a global level. A country like Spain can more than handle a few million more.

[Theodarzna]

Can't keep driving the population up ad infinitum. Gotta slim down at some point, might as well be now with things ahead like automation and global warming.

Right? Is not population decline ultimately good for the Spaniards that remain? Housing becomes cheaper, land opens up, the price of local labor goes up.

[Blade Wolf]

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[NED funded]

Can't keep driving the population up ad infinitum. Gotta slim down at some point, might as well be now with things ahead like automation and global warming.

I know communists don't like money, but a decline in population comes with its problems and for an economy in the state of Spain, I don't think that's what the goverment needs.

[Theodarzna]

I know communists don't like money, but a decline in population comes with its problems and for an economy in the state of Spain, I don't think that's what the goverment needs.

In the long run its good for the people though, it frees up land, lowers housing prices and increases local wages.

[Deleted]

Spain is just one of many EU countries with aging populations ....

[Tennis]

Right? Is not population decline ultimately good for the Spaniards that remain? Housing becomes cheaper, land opens up, the price of local labor goes up.

Hahahhaa. So all the experts say it's not a good thing but you claim otherwise. Okkk there.

[Damajin]

Nah, ship them all to Canada so that nice pleasant areas like Spain stay nice and pleasant.

[Theodarzna]

Hahahhaa. So all the experts say it's not a good thing but you claim otherwise. Okkk there.

The experts are fixated on GDP numbers and statistics, not individuals on the ground.

Yes, if you want to sustain property values and keep wages where they are at, then sure, open the flood gates.

However if you care more about the long term future of your country, then perhaps focus inward and help the people now.

[Damajin]

Hahahhaa. So all the experts say it's not a good thing but you claim otherwise. Okkk there.

Hahaha, all the experts paid by big corporations to push unfettered immigration.

Okkk there kiddo? Okkk.

[sockzz]

This is a natural and healthy part of an efficient first world country. The need for a family to have lots of children in the first world isn't as important as in the third world where you need your children to take care of you when you're older. When the left uses this as an excuse to increase immigration from the third world it makes you wonder what their motivations truly are.

[Medusa Cascade]

But who will take care of the elderly?
And what do we do with people in the building-sector?
Or how to deal with teachers when they have empty classrooms?

By 2050 robots will probably look after the elderly

[Berengil]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...lderly-singles




If this happens they have noone to blame but themselves. They have a clear example set by successful countries like Canada as to allowing refugees and immigrants in for the betterment of society. I guess the question is whether Spain is an attractive destination given all the issues with the economy but they should at least try.

Don't they take N African immigrants in large amounts?

Not saying that would help any, because cheap imported labor screws a nations working class

[Forogil]

If this happens they have noone to blame but themselves. They have a clear example set by successful countries like Canada as to allowing refugees and immigrants in for the betterment of society. I guess the question is whether Spain is an attractive destination given all the issues with the economy but they should at least try.

Spain actually did that - and allowed six millions of immigrants in the latest decades (i.e. outdoing Canada).

Read the article you linked: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...lderly-singles

[Deleted]

RIP Spain?

[Damajin]

This is a natural and healthy part of an efficient first world country. The need for a family to have lots of children in the first world isn't as important as in the third world where you need your children to take care of you when you're older. When the left uses this as an excuse to increase immigration from the third world it makes you wonder what their motivations truly are.

Doesn't make me wonder it makes it very obvious. Import the 3rd world mentality everywhere so there's no escaping the situation, everywhere to run to is a 3rd world shithole ruled by bureaucrats for corporate fatcats.

[Forogil]

Don't they take N African immigrants in large amounts?

They did at least - according to the article.